Negative changes to the Motability scheme as of 1st January 2017.

Pop_Up_Pirate

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

I've found the post by Deleted_User which I was referring to. I'm going to split the relevant part into paragraphs hoping it might make things clearer. He did confirm earlier in the thread that my understanding was correct.So he understands why he's not allowed to do what he'd like to do, but I can understand his frustration. He can add unnecessary bells and whistles, at his own expense, but for the same cost (or less) to Motability, he can't have a better spec car which better meets his needs.

Those better specs don't meet disabled needs.
Yes of course, who wouldn't like a better spec car, have all the bells and whistles with no extra cost to themselves?
The reality is if you want fancy extras that have no impact on your disability and your car is at the maximum price allowed on the scheme then you will need to pay for them yourself.

That's how it should have been all along.

Ames

Pop_Up_Pirate wrote: »

Those better specs don't meet disabled needs.
Yes of course, who wouldn't like a better spec car, have all the bells and whistles with no extra cost to themselves?
The reality is if you want fancy extras that have no impact on your disability and your car is at the maximum price allowed on the scheme then you will need to pay for them yourself.

That's how it should have been all along.

That's how it has been all along.

No one is saying people should be able to have a state of the art sound system for free because they are disabled. People are saying that as they can pay for the sound system so they should be able to pay for other extras, especially those which assist them in dealing with their disability.

FBaby

When in supermarkets I either use the BB or children spaces, but always put my BB on the dash.
When spaces are not available I park with the white line down the centre of the car thus taking up two parking spaces

That would put you more at risk of intended rather than accidental scratches.

I am failing to understand why someone non disabled would have to wait for a place to come available but a disabled person can't. Surely if they are no spaces available in the disabled bay, which from my experience is very rare considering how many are being allocated, then why not wait until one becomes so? Or is it a case that being disabled gives you the entitlement not to have to wait?

poppy12345

FBaby wrote: »

That would put you more at risk of intended rather than accidental scratches.

I am failing to understand why someone non disabled would have to wait for a place to come available but a disabled person can't. Surely if they are no spaces available in the disabled bay, which from my experience is very rare considering how many are being allocated, then why not wait until one becomes so? Or is it a case that being disabled gives you the entitlement not to have to wait?

I agree with some of what you said but not all. I have a BB and where i live it's not easy trying to get a space in the Disabled bays. I used to think exactly the same as you before i got my BB, that there's so many disabled spaces. That's far from true when you need a space yourself. I would NEVER take up 2 spaces in a space though. If there isn't one available for me i'll just wait until one does become available. I used to have to wait before my BB there's no difference now. Just because someone has a BB it doesn't give us the right to park anywhere we choose.

Ames

FBaby wrote: »

That would put you more at risk of intended rather than accidental scratches.

I am failing to understand why someone non disabled would have to wait for a place to come available but a disabled person can't. Surely if they are no spaces available in the disabled bay, which from my experience is very rare considering how many are being allocated, then why not wait until one becomes so? Or is it a case that being disabled gives you the entitlement not to have to wait?

There's a couple of supermarkets I avoid other than late at night because of having to drive around for ages waiting for a space. In the end I've been waiting so long I've gone home or another shop. (Those stores also have ling waits for their mobility scooters too).

I've never seen any supermarket that has every regular bay taken.

rockingbilly

FBaby wrote: »

That would put you more at risk of intended rather than accidental scratches.

I am failing to understand why someone non disabled would have to wait for a place to come available but a disabled person can't. Surely if they are no spaces available in the disabled bay, which from my experience is very rare considering how many are being allocated, then why not wait until one becomes so? Or is it a case that being disabled gives you the entitlement not to have to wait?

Yes that is what I used to do - wait. However about a year ago whilst waiting whilst a car was coming out of a BB bay another car came up the lane against the flow of traffic and nipped into the now vacant space with me still not having moved. I got out of the car and remonstrated with the young male driver only to be told " get back in your f*****g wheel chair!" as he walked off. Eventually I did get a space to park in and had a look at the young lad's car - surprise no BB on display.
So being nice and patient does not mean others will offer the same.
Why do you say 'intended'? Are you suggesting that someone would purposely scratch the car which incidentally is a criminal matter?

rockingbilly

Ames wrote: »

I've never seen any supermarket that has every regular bay taken.

I have - Christmas Eve for some reason.

FBaby

So being nice and patient does not mean others will offer the same.

So because you had one bad experience, one that you could have reported, you think it is ok to take an entitled attitude and take two spaces that are not for your attention?

So next time I see a disabled car using two normal bays, I will retaliate and take one disabled one as tit for tat attitude?

Your attitude really doesn't help. There are disabled parking for disabled people. They are many of them (at least in my area, two full rows of them, more than 20 places!), so why think it is ok to take two spaces intended for two cars?

Personally, if I see someone taking two spaces in a busy car park, disabled or not, I will say something to them.

rockingbilly

FBaby wrote: »

So because you had one bad experience, one that you could have reported, you think it is ok to take an entitled attitude and take two spaces that are not for your attention?

So next time I see a disabled car using two normal bays, I will retaliate and take one disabled one as tit for tat attitude?

Your attitude really doesn't help. There are disabled parking for disabled people. They are many of them (at least in my area, two full rows of them, more than 20 places!), so why think it is ok to take two spaces intended for two cars?

Personally, if I see someone taking two spaces in a busy car park, disabled or not, I will say something to them.

The disabled bays are generally always full and not all cars are displaying a BB. I would be more than happy if anybody said anything to me - telling them that they should take it up with the store as it is them that are not providing enough BB bays, then walk off.

tomtom256

rockingbilly wrote: »

The disabled bays are generally always full and not all cars are displaying a BB. I would be more than happy if anybody said anything to me - telling them that they should take it up with the store as it is them that are not providing enough BB bays, then walk off.

How many is enough?

It's private land owned by them and they can do what they want with regards to spaces.

Most council run carparks tend to only have a handful of spaces, are you going to take two up in those if they are full! Good luck fighting the ticket.