Trump will bring about a new era of prosperity

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Of course we are all so in touch with diversity and the global world on here aren't we. :rotfl:

I enjoyed the mass snowflake virtue signaller protests against;




1) The Muslim worlds anti - abortion policies (Muslim women mount mass protests against abortion throughout the Muslim world)


2) Deeply homophobic, misogynist Muslim clerics being invited to speak at UK Universities (whilst Germaine Greer and others are no-platformed)


3) Obama's drone strikes and bomb drops, mainly on Muslims (26,171 is 2016 alone)


4) FMG


5) Forced marriage


6) Child marriage - 8 y/o's to old goat herds in Yemen


7) The endemic brutality and misogyny found throughout Pakistan and other Muslim states


8) Obama's banning of Iraqi's into the US


9) Japans racist immigration policies


10) Banning of Israelis from many Muslim nations


I guess these other nations and peoples are irrelevant to the social justice warrior cult. Reverse racism.

nkomp18

Whoever thinks Trump is anything but a warmongering racist that will bring disaster to the world needs to have their head checked ASAP. No delay...

Even if you are racist, you should be worried about climate change. When the planet dies, nothing else will matter

Hintza

nkomp18 wrote: »

Whoever thinks Trump is anything but a warmongering .....

Really? You need to look a bit more closely at US policies across the globe for the last 25 years.

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

What I meant here is that though he may not be able to enter Govt, he will none the less be a very important political player (in the way Farage has been without ever having entered the HOC)

Well Farage is interesting. He's clearly had an impact that goes massively beyond any kind of electoral numbers he has although I sometimes wonder if its overplayed. The Tories have long had a 'Eurosceptic' element that is well represented by MPs (e.g. Major's barstewards comment).

The BBC might have hated him but they certainly gave him plenty of airtime in the name of that spurious balance that they are supposed to have.

Brexit has many fathers: Metric Martyrs; bendy bananas; immigration; Up Yours Delors and Farage tapped in to that tradition and with his well honed arguments and blokey appeal he captured the Zeitgeist. I think it's too much to hand him responsibility for Brexit alone.

So back to Wilders. What can he tap into? He's clearly got something with the anti-immigrant/anti-Islam thing. However does he have legs beyond that? NL has a decent economy but is tiny and if you spend time talking politics with Dutch people it's clear that they realise that they have nil impact in international terms. I used to work with a bunch of Dutch people and I asked them to teach me some Dutch and they asked me why the hell I'd want to do that :rotfl:

The Dutch get a voice from the EU that they don't get as a nation and seem to value that. The ones I've met do anyway. Anti-EU parties I think are likely to do better in countries that feel that they have a real voice alone: Italy, Germany, France, Spain.

Conrad

davomcdave wrote: »

So back to Wilders. What can he tap into? He's clearly got something with the anti-immigrant/anti-Islam thing. However does he have legs beyond that?

Oh my goodness yes, his whole ethos is similar to that which propels the new breed of thinkers at the cutting edge, Milo, Bannon and the rest of the anti-liberal up swell, a war of ideas that is coming to a head.


This is why I bang on about 'liberals', it is they that have ruined so much and been the catalyst for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc


'Liberals' ignored our concerns, so now we on the right are acting in kind, we don't care for their snowflake fears and tears

Conrad

NEWSNIGHT last night - the end of Liberalism, here;


Go to 23.45


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08d65k0/newsnight-30012017

Herzlos

So you're not at all worried about the idea that being anti-liberal may drive away a lot of the people responsible for making America Great? In that a some of them now aren't allowed into the country?

I appreciate that you don't care about the liberals fears, because you're a rich white man, but there's plenty of other people with deep, deep concern about what's going on in the US.

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

Oh my goodness yes, his whole ethos is similar to that which propels the new breed of thinkers at the cutting edge, Milo, Bannon and the rest of the anti-liberal up swell, a war of ideas that is coming to a head.


This is why I bang on about 'liberals', it is they that have ruined so much and been the catalyst for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc


'Liberals' ignored our concerns, so now we on the right are acting in kind, we don't care for their snowflake fears and tears

What do you mean by Liberals exactly?

I can see the end of Socialism which I guess is a process that has been going on since the mid-70s and is starting to accelerate. If by Liberalism you mean liberal democracy and capitalism then I disagree. For a start you can't get rid of democracy through the ballot box by definition! It needs a gun and an angry person to wield it.

If by Liberals you mean current establishment US Democrat politicians then yes, I agree but it's hard to see how that applies to the Dutch or any of the rest of the world really as we don't get to vote or Trump or Clinton.

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

Oh my goodness yes, his whole ethos is similar to that which propels the new breed of thinkers at the cutting edge, Milo, Bannon and the rest of the anti-liberal up swell, a war of ideas that is coming to a head.


This is why I bang on about 'liberals', it is they that have ruined so much and been the catalyst for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc


'Liberals' ignored our concerns, so now we on the right are acting in kind, we don't care for their snowflake fears and tears

I'd temper that with, I don't think that we don't care about their fears or tears, just that we're far more pragmatic about reality.

This travel ban for instance, it's gone from being widely reported as a Muslim ban, to a travel ban. The people protesting appear to think it's a Muslim ban, because that's what they've been told. The reality of the executive order is different.

So whilst I too would condemn a ban on religious grounds (see banning of Jews because they're Jewish), this travel ban clearly doesn't apply to hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world, so it's clearly not a Muslim ban. Does this not suggest that there are some people in the world either too stupid to see the obvious or too lazy and just follow the narrative of their peers to fit in?

Calling Trump a warmonger couldn't be any further from the truth either. I don't want to defend Trump, I don't particularly like the guy, but the sheer stupidity from some people who claim to be the educated is astounding, particularly in the media perpetrating these myths. I can only conclude they're actually dumb as $#&! or it's an ideological agenda with nothing to do with peoples rights and more about getting one over on the opposition.

Whatever it is, unless they actually get their facts right before they protest then people will grow apathetic towards them, or worse, dislike them for it. And it's nothing less than they deserve in my opinion.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

This is why I bang on about 'liberals', it is they that have ruined so much and been the catalyst for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Wilders etc

'Liberals' ignored our concerns, so now we on the right are acting in kind, we don't care for their snowflake fears and tears

I tend to think the people responsible for Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Farage et al are the people voting for them rather than the people that don't.

It's a bit disingenuous to blame your 'liberals' for the lurch to the right when you fully support the right wing policies and the people spouting them.