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  • JP08
    JP08 Posts: 851 Forumite
    GingerBob wrote: »
    Road humps of some sort, obviously of a design commensurate with the expected vehicle speeds? I'm not a big fan of them, but as a temporary measure in situations like this they may do the trick.

    On a busy road like the North Circ ? So the careful slow down to 20. And traffic jams back round Hanger Lane. The numpties crash over at 35 if there isn't a queue and floor it to the next bump before jumping on the anchors.

    Think they're a non starter as an idea. Next suggestion ?
  • GingerBob_3
    GingerBob_3 Posts: 3,659 Forumite
    So your answer is to cause congestion? I'm sure that'll go down well with all the road workers suffering from lung complaints due to the pollution built up by your road humps.


    Give them gas masks.
  • GingerBob_3
    GingerBob_3 Posts: 3,659 Forumite
    JP08 wrote: »
    On a busy road like the North Circ ? So the careful slow down to 20. And traffic jams back round Hanger Lane. The numpties crash over at 35 if there isn't a queue and floor it to the next bump before jumping on the anchors.

    Think they're a non starter as an idea. Next suggestion ?


    I've done mine, so what's yours, given that motorists ARE still speeding in large numbers and thereby putting the lives of the workers at risk?
  • JP08
    JP08 Posts: 851 Forumite
    GingerBob wrote: »
    I've done mine, so what's yours, given that motorists ARE still speeding in large numbers and thereby putting the lives of the workers at risk?

    But they are not in large numbers. 80 a day got nicked. 0.5% as estimated earlier. The speed limit and the camera were a sufficient deterrent to the rest.

    You're the one with the problem with the existing solution. So come up with a better one.

    Your current suggestion is crap. It would make the congestion worse and be no more of a deterrent.
  • GingerBob_3
    GingerBob_3 Posts: 3,659 Forumite
    edited 4 January 2017 at 1:25PM
    JP08 wrote: »
    But they are not in large numbers. 80 a day got nicked. 0.5% as estimated earlier. The speed limit and the camera were a sufficient deterrent to the rest.

    You're the one with the problem with the existing solution. So come up with a better one.

    Your current suggestion is crap. It would make the congestion worse and be no more of a deterrent.


    That would be one every six minutes then, during the working day. I'd say that was a dangerously high level, bearing in mind those caught were probably doing 40 or more.


    As for your ridiculing of the speed hump idea - here in the north east these were used on the A19 during temporary road works to get the speed down from 70+ on this very fast road, to 50. I travelled the section on numerous occasions and they appeared to be 100% effective. I did spot some minor congestion on one evening peak period, but overall they were doing precisely what they were supposed to, unlike the cameras on the north circular. The problem was, of course, they weren't raising any money.


    Add: for humps read ramps in this case.
  • reeac
    reeac Posts: 1,430 Forumite
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    Nothing wrong with raising money from dimwits ...I'm all in favour of it.
  • GingerBob_3
    GingerBob_3 Posts: 3,659 Forumite
    reeac wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with raising money from dimwits ...I'm all in favour of it.


    Yes, it could be used to pay the NHS charges of those injured by the 'dimwits'.
  • JP08
    JP08 Posts: 851 Forumite
    GingerBob wrote: »
    As for your ridiculing of the speed hump idea - here in the north east these were used on the A19 during temporary road works to get the speed down from 70+ on this very fast road, to 50. I travelled the section on numerous occasions and they appeared to be 100% effective.

    I suspect the 99.5% compliance on the North Circ would have looked like 100% too if you drove through it twice a day.

    And, whilst the ramps to 50 might have worked on the A19 (and a free flowing bit from your description of "very fast road"), we both know how people behave round speed bumps in residential areas enforcing a 30 - and that's pretty much what I described earlier. Ie the careful slow to well below 30, which WILL cause chaos in the definitely not free flowing at times A406, and the fast will still speed / hoof it between bumps if there is an opportunity. And I bet a fair few in your A19 roadworks didn't stay to 50 through the whole lot.
  • GingerBob wrote: »
    That would be one every six minutes then, during the working day. I'd say that was a dangerously high level, bearing in mind those caught were probably doing 40 or more.


    As for your ridiculing of the speed hump idea - here in the north east these were used on the A19 during temporary road works to get the speed down from 70+ on this very fast road, to 50. I travelled the section on numerous occasions and they appeared to be 100% effective. I did spot some minor congestion on one evening peak period, but overall they were doing precisely what they were supposed to, unlike the cameras on the north circular. The problem was, of course, they weren't raising any money.


    Add: for humps read ramps in this case.


    Oh, you're from the North East! I often wondered. That explains a lot.
  • Mercdriver
    Mercdriver Posts: 3,898 Forumite
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    edited 4 January 2017 at 2:30PM
    GingerBob wrote: »
    That would be one every six minutes then, during the working day. I'd say that was a dangerously high level, bearing in mind those caught were probably doing 40 or more.


    As for your ridiculing of the speed hump idea - here in the north east these were used on the A19 during temporary road works to get the speed down from 70+ on this very fast road, to 50. I travelled the section on numerous occasions and they appeared to be 100% effective. I did spot some minor congestion on one evening peak period, but overall they were doing precisely what they were supposed to, unlike the cameras on the north circular. The problem was, of course, they weren't raising any money.


    Add: for humps read ramps in this case.

    How well do you know the North Circular? I live 220 miles away from it but do drive along it from time to time. The fact that it alternates between dual and multilane and single lane single carriageway frequently between it's terminus at the M4/A4/A205 South Circular roundabout and Hanger Lane means it already has several bottlenecks. Putting in speed bumps will create more of them, which will increase the risk of minor bumps which will exacerbate the jams already caused by your speed bumps.

    Better education is what is needed and some of those caught at 35 - 42mph will be likely to get that education via speed awareness courses. Others will get them via 3 points and financial penalties and the possibility of totting if they don't modify their behaviour. In the end the consequences of your own actions will catch you out.

    The mentality of some drivers needs to change. Some drivers only keep to a limit when there is a camera to enforce it. While it is tautology, the more drivers that have this perception, the more average speed camera sets you will see go up, not more gatsos, more average speed camera. That is bad for everyone, as if you travel on the M4 around Port Talbot, you will notice that inorder to make sure they don't get caught out, people drive at 35 in a 50. that's what happens when you drive according to speed cameras and not to appropriate speed in line with speed limits.

    the speed cameras themselves aren't the cause, it's people's disregard for the limits. People should take note when they see survey wires in the road. They are measuring the number of cars exceeding the speed limit often in these surveys with a view to assessing the site for a camera.
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