Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

I too am happy to see that EU nationals have the right to remain in the UK after Brexit and for UK nationals to have the right to remain in EU countries.

This is a matter that could be resolved in five minutes but the EU commissioners refuse to discuss it. I wonder why.

Thank you cogito. I hope the silent majority think the same.
The reason that no discussion/negotiations have taken place is that both sides have now excepted that there will not be any until article 50 is triggered.
As a Brit resident in Luxembourg I would love for this issue to be settled early but have to except it. The Government here have made very positive noises and are even making it easier to become a Lux National as they see Brits who work here an asset to the economy. However it's all about Politics and so we wait and hope.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you cogito. I hope the silent majority think the same.
The reason that no discussion/negotiations have taken place is that both sides have now excepted that there will not be any until article 50 is triggered.

Tusk has made it loud and clear that the issue of expats will not be discussed before article 50 but is that true for the UK government?

Or just another of your all innocent 'EU can do no wrong posts'?

Graham_Devon

UK manufacturing growth hits 2 and a half year high...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-pmi-idUKKBN14N0MM

Economists had predicted a decline in activity due to the brexit vote in June.

It's not all down to the pound and costs either. External (and internal) orders actually increased.

Britains economy now looks to expand at a faster rate than most developed economies this year, bar the US.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

OK Jock, first I read that you say you are not angry but to me anger seems to be seeping out between your words. I also see that there is a lot of anger on this thread and given most of the posters had voted for Brexit that anger is almost overwhelming the discussion and posts from remainders.

At this stage my uppermost emotion is sadness. The anger and disappointment about the result will you have seen from my various recent posts has now almost disappeared.

I sincerely hope that all posters, including MYSELF carefully read their own post to try to minimise the angry words.

I have tried to make my posts calm and not confrontational but might have slipped like others occasionally. I will try to do better in future.

Now to your post.
I am not trying to mislead or be deceitful but have been (more than) honest about my personal situation.
I have no political bias against the UK but as the place of my birth want what in my opinion is best for Britain.
The decision to leave the EU had saddened and frightened me but I am over that. I am very happy that since the referendum six months ago Britain has continued to prosper. Wether that is because or in spite of its continuing membership of the EU is of course for debate.
I do not intend to return to the UK because my primary family commitments are in Luxembourg. I hope you would have understood that from previous posts.
There are clear rules on who can or can not vote in Elections/referendums in the U.K. Fortunately I came in just under the deadline. I had no moral qualms in taking part in the referendum that could (and now may) effect my future.
I have in many recent posts excepted that Britain is leaving the EU and now find myself agreeing with all Brexiteers that the sooner the better.
I am not prepared or knowledgable enough about Political corruption to debate with you or anyone about it. I only know it is everywhere and not confined to "foreign" politicians.

Hopefully Jock I have answered your post as carefully as I can and perhaps by doing that any anger anyone has will NOT be directed at me.

Thank you for a candid response, though I do wish you would not interpret whatever is said (and especially by myself) as "anger".
Now "bafflement" or even "disbelief" may be appropriate but "anger", certainly not.

For example frankly I fail to comprehend, despite your response, how you can feel it morally correct to have voted in our referendum even though legally you may indeed have had the right to vote.

To clarify for you, as a Scot living in Scotland I can vote for the UK and for Scotland if I choose to do so.
In for example a Scottish independence vote.
What I could NOT do is vote in the Scottish independence vote if my home and life were outside Scotland, be that elsewhere in the UK or indeed globally.

Because even were I given opportunity to participate in the example of a Scottish independence vote, morally it would be wrong of me to do so and in fact I could not in good conscience subject my will upon a populace which I would no longer wish to be part of.

That you decided to do so in the UK's referendum together with the tone of your posts explains volumes, to me at least.

Anyone is of course able (and maybe even welcome) to post on an open forum such as this.
Posting though inevitably provokes response.
If the response is not what you would have liked ......... well, that's the way it goes.
Like every other poster, accept or ignore and move on.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

UK manufacturing growth hits 2 and a half year high...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-pmi-idUKKBN14N0MM

Economists had predicted a decline in activity due to the brexit vote in June.

It's not all down to the pound and costs either. External (and internal) orders actually increased.

Britains economy now looks to expand at a faster rate than most developed economies this year, bar the US.

And all while we remain in the EU.

Crikey Graham....

Just imagine how good it would have been if we didn't also have all this Brexit economic uncertainty to contend with. :cool:

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And all while we remain in the EU.

Crikey Graham....

Just imagine how good it would have been if we didn't also have all this Brexit economic uncertainty to contend with. :cool:

Doesn't wash though Hamish.

Economists (and you, yourself) suggested that due to the VOTE, stuff such as the manufacturing data simply wouldn't happen.

You can't turn round now and say "well it's only because were still in the EU". If you believed that, you should have said that, instead of saying it now in hindsight.

It's incredibly difficult for you to change tact now. You stated several 10's of times on this forum that a vote to leave will lead to an instant DIY recession...... Look at the data.

And as for the economists predicting a decline due to brexit - what can we say there? These were the very people you were telling us we should all listen to the warnings off pre-vote.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And all while we remain in the EU.

Crikey Graham....

Just imagine how good it would have been if we didn't also have all this Brexit economic uncertainty to contend with. :cool:

Peak uncertainty moment for the markets was the vote. Investors have priced in future expectations and you see a thriving FSTE 250 and high money supply growth. Sterling is at fair value level to help us reduce the trade deficit over time


As I said to you long ago, be confident in your nations ability to thrive, there is life beyond the old Men of Brussels, all will be well.

TrickyTree83

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Doesn't wash though Hamish.

Economists (and you, yourself) suggested that due to the VOTE, stuff such as the manufacturing data simply wouldn't happen.

You can't turn round now and say "well it's only because were still in the EU". If you believed that, you should have said that, instead of saying it now in hindsight.

It's incredibly difficult for you to change tact now. You stated several 10's of times on this forum that a vote to leave will lead to an instant DIY recession...... Look at the data.

And as for the economists predicting a decline due to brexit - what can we say there? These were the very people you were telling us we should all listen to the warnings off pre-vote.

Called out, banged to rights, well done.

I'll never forget (nor let Hamish) when he said there would be a recession the likes of which we have never seen, greater in magnitude than that of the 2008 global financial crisis.

He said there would be something like 1.7m repossessions and a similar multiplier added to the unemployment figures.

I don't recall the actual multiplier now but it was something ridiculous like 7 or 10 times worse. When you're predicting situations like this when no one else, including the treasury who were widely derided for - by Hamish's standards - forecasting a minor shock and branding it "Severe Shock" wouldn't you take a look in the proverbial mirror and have a word with yourself? Maybe take off the tinfoil hat and come back to reason and evidence?

Conrad

Notice how the doom mongers endlessly move the goal posts, pushing out the day of reckoning further each time their nonsense predictions fail


I've seen the usual doom sayers now saying triggering A 50 will cause chaos. These sheep never learn

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

Notice how the doom mongers endlessly move the goal posts, pushing out the day of reckoning further each time their nonsense predictions fail


I've seen the usual doom sayers now saying triggering A 50 will cause chaos. These sheep never learn

Or like the house price crash brigade?

Must be worrying to share characteristics with people who choose to sell and rent whilst prices rise. Smart? Appears not.