Straw poll: Do you want to retain FOM?

TrickyTree83

Doshwaster wrote: »

Is that really true? The economies of Poland, Hungary etc have been growing better than most of western Europe. The Single Market allows eastern European countries to attract manufacturing and services companies to a location where they have full market access but with a lower operating costs and it helps retain workers. I know of several companies who are moving their offshore operations from India to Poland as the logistics are simpler.

It's easier to grow your economy when you're at a low point than it is at a developed point.

What you say doesn't counter the original argument that skills drain from weaker/less developed economies in favour of the higher wage more developed economies.

i.e. got a CAD qualification? Work for BMW in Germany instead of Dacia in Romania. It pays more.

kabayiri

bugslet wrote: »

I voted Yes though I think there should be limits and restrictions.

Not sure what this poll is going to say at the end.
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Nor me.

Come on OP, pull your finger out.

1) When does this poll reach an end?

2) Do the results match what you expected?

3) If not, why not?

Masomnia

Herzlos wrote: »

All the Maltese ads are requiring is that the applications will able to able to stay/work in Malta.

No they're not, they're saying that you have to be a certain nationality/can't be another. Clapton's right it would be illegal here.

mwpt

kabayiri wrote: »

Nor me.

Come on OP, pull your finger out.

1) When does this poll reach an end?

2) Do the results match what you expected?

3) If not, why not?

this is the first time I've added a poll so wasn't sure I was meant to end it. The results are viewable to all surely, or am I just ignorant on how these polls work?

The impression these forums gave me was that there were no leave voters around who wanted free movement. I was curious if it was just that there were some quieter people who didn't voice their opinions, and I wanted to challenge my own impressions.

So what I've learned is that roughly double the number of people LEAVE VOTERS just don't want free movement regardless of anything else.

But it is interesting to see that there are still a fair number of people who would prefer to keep free movement under the conditions I mentioned in the first post. This wasn't what I expected, so I'm happy to have learned this.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

We're what, 16 months from the deadline?




It does - you can require a NI number, which means the migrant would need to get one via a work VISA or whatever.

I'm sure for some jobs requiring a lot of EU travel you can insist on someone who can travel VISA free within the EU. Just like you can insist on a driving license.

All the Maltese ads are requiring is that the applications will able to able to stay/work in Malta.

legal immigrants can get a NI no trouble

I would have thought that requiring a EU passport would be illegal : do you know where this occurs and whether it has been challenged in the courts.

societys_child

We always had FOM, it's what passports were invented for . . .

CLAPTON

societys_child wrote: »

We always had FOM, it's what passports were invented for . . .

totally and factually incorrect

societys_child

CLAPTON wrote: »

totally and factually incorrect

:rotfl: lol :rotfl:

Doshwaster

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

i.e. got a CAD qualification? Work for BMW in Germany instead of Dacia in Romania. It pays more.

So should people with talent, qualifications and ambition in Romania settle for a life of living there? Why shouldn't they move to Germany?

You can't help where you are born. If there are few career opportunities in your area then I don't sea why you should be disadvantaged against those who were lucky enough to grow up in a prosperous area. I'm from an ex-mining village in the North East. I like many others before (and since) moved away to seek our futures elsewhere.

Carl31

Doshwaster wrote: »

Is that really true? The economies of Poland, Hungary etc have been growing better than most of western Europe. The Single Market allows eastern European countries to attract manufacturing and services companies to a location where they have full market access but with a lower operating costs and it helps retain workers. I know of several companies who are moving their offshore operations from India to Poland as the logistics are simpler.

Very top level, google 'population of...' and look at some of the eastern European nations, Romania or Bulgaria. You can see already since the 80s these areas are in decline. I don't really know why that is, but what it would suggest is the skills pool would also reduce in these areas, less people would naturally mean less skills. Less skills means less investment

So those that want to succeed can easily move to a neighbouring country, or one of the EU super powers, great for them, great for the receiving country. Who is going to drive the economy of the country left behind? How is that country going to meet the demands of EU membership? Throw in the lack of harmonization with taxation and other economic factors and it just doesn't add up, which is why we are now starting to see problems in the weaker nations, their financial systems are not suitable for EU membership and when they fail, FOM will only serve to make their problems worse, hardly something a 'union' should allow