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Who would be at fault in this situation?
Head_The_Ball
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There are numerous examples of this type of junction in the UK.
The A2030 Eastern Road in Portsmouth alternates between single and dual carriageway.
Driving south approaching the traffic lights at the junction with Burrfields Road is a two lane in each direction dual carriageway section.
About 70 metres before the traffic lights, there is a third right hand side lane slip road (maybe the wrong term) for traffic wanting to turn right into Burrfields Road to queue for the right turn green light.
Lanes one and two are for straight on only, the extra third lane is for right turns only. If you want to turn right you need to be in lane two and then move into lane three as it begins about 70 metres before the traffic light junction.
What is the correct procedure for a car wanting to turn right but finding the third lane already full of traffic?
There are two options.
1) Stop in lane two, blocking traffic from behind that wants to carry straight on, and wait until the traffic in lane three moves forward.
2) Carry on in lane 2 and U turn further down the road.
Who would be at fault if a car took option 1, stopped in lane two and was rear ended by a car behind wanting to drive straight on?
I presume it would be the car behind as that driver should have anticipated the car in front stopping.
But should the car wanting to turn right take option 2 if the slip road is already full?
Comments please.
The A2030 Eastern Road in Portsmouth alternates between single and dual carriageway.
Driving south approaching the traffic lights at the junction with Burrfields Road is a two lane in each direction dual carriageway section.
About 70 metres before the traffic lights, there is a third right hand side lane slip road (maybe the wrong term) for traffic wanting to turn right into Burrfields Road to queue for the right turn green light.
Lanes one and two are for straight on only, the extra third lane is for right turns only. If you want to turn right you need to be in lane two and then move into lane three as it begins about 70 metres before the traffic light junction.
What is the correct procedure for a car wanting to turn right but finding the third lane already full of traffic?
There are two options.
1) Stop in lane two, blocking traffic from behind that wants to carry straight on, and wait until the traffic in lane three moves forward.
2) Carry on in lane 2 and U turn further down the road.
Who would be at fault if a car took option 1, stopped in lane two and was rear ended by a car behind wanting to drive straight on?
I presume it would be the car behind as that driver should have anticipated the car in front stopping.
But should the car wanting to turn right take option 2 if the slip road is already full?
Comments please.
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Head_The_Ball wrote: »There are numerous examples of this type of junction in the UK.
The A2030 Eastern Road in Portsmouth alternates between single and dual carriageway.
Driving south approaching the traffic lights at the junction with Burrfields Road is a two lane in each direction dual carriageway section.
About 70 metres before the traffic lights, there is a third right hand side lane slip road (maybe the wrong term) for traffic wanting to turn right into Burrfields Road to queue for the right turn green light.
Lanes one and two are for straight on only, the extra third lane is for right turns only. If you want to turn right you need to be in lane two and then move into lane three as it begins about 70 metres before the traffic light junction.
What is the correct procedure for a car wanting to turn right but finding the third lane already full of traffic?
There are two options.
1) Stop in lane two, blocking traffic from behind that wants to carry straight on, and wait until the traffic in lane three moves forward.
2) Carry on in lane 2 and U turn further down the road.
Who would be at fault if a car took option 1, stopped in lane two and was rear ended by a car behind wanting to drive straight on?
I presume it would be the car behind as that driver should have anticipated the car in front stopping.
But should the car wanting to turn right take option 2 if the slip road is already full?
Comments please.
I've had a look at the street view, and don't understand the option 1 possibility? Where would the extra traffic in lane 3 arrive from? They would already be behind you in lane 2, that said rear end is rear end, furthermore I'm no insurance assessor.0 -
Head_The_Ball wrote: »There are numerous examples of this type of junction in the UK.
The A2030 Eastern Road in Portsmouth alternates between single and dual carriageway.
Driving south approaching the traffic lights at the junction with Burrfields Road is a two lane in each direction dual carriageway section.
About 70 metres before the traffic lights, there is a third right hand side lane slip road (maybe the wrong term) for traffic wanting to turn right into Burrfields Road to queue for the right turn green light.
Lanes one and two are for straight on only, the extra third lane is for right turns only. If you want to turn right you need to be in lane two and then move into lane three as it begins about 70 metres before the traffic light junction.
Perfectly normal right-turn slip.
https://goo.gl/maps/zQ48CaPsbq32What is the correct procedure for a car wanting to turn right but finding the third lane already full of traffic?
There are two options.
1) Stop in lane two, blocking traffic from behind that wants to carry straight on, and wait until the traffic in lane three moves forward.
2) Carry on in lane 2 and U turn further down the road.
Who would be at fault if a car took option 1, stopped in lane two and was rear ended by a car behind wanting to drive straight on?
Depends...
Let's assume the driver of the hit-when-stationary car was being sensible and alert - they were in L2 in plenty of time, indicating right in plenty of time, and started slowing in plenty of time.
100% the numpty who hit them.
OTOH, if the driver of the stationary car just dived into L2 at the last minute and slammed the anchors on without indicating, then it's going to go 50/50 at best.But should the car wanting to turn right take option 2 if the slip road is already full?
They can if they really want. If the light timings are badly configured, then it may even be quicker.0 -
Head_The_Ball wrote: »
Lanes one and two are for straight on only, .
Looking at street view tells me that's not the case, the arrows indicate what is appropriate not mandatory.
Not sure how that plays with your theory though, if at allChange is inevitable, except from a vending machine.0 -
Terrible positioning of the SIGN! Like so many I come across, in heavy traffic traveling in the inside lane by the time you see the sign it is dangerous to move to the right turn lane.
There is no advance warning of this right turn, just a sign at the start of the slip road.0 -
Well, apart from this 200m before.knightstyle wrote: »Terrible positioning of the SIGN! Like so many I come across, in heavy traffic traveling in the inside lane by the time you see the sign it is dangerous to move to the right turn lane.
There is no advance warning of this right turn, just a sign at the start of the slip road.
https://goo.gl/maps/bEY7MvKKzi920 -
I've had a look at the street view, and don't understand the option 1 possibility? Where would the extra traffic in lane 3 arrive from? They would already be behind you in lane 2, that said rear end is rear end, furthermore I'm no insurance assessor.
Traffic ahead of the theoretical driver has already filled lane 3 (the right turn slip road).0 -
Head_The_Ball wrote: »Traffic ahead of the theoretical driver has already filled lane 3 (the right turn slip road).
As already mentioned, those turning right would already be in lane 2 and have 1st choice of lane 3 or straight ahead, the only option of the situation you describe is that the driver in lane 2 at a late point decided that they wanted to turn right.
Would they be liable ? That is up to the insurance company if the driver that rear ended had a dash cam or may just have a different version of the event.0 -
AdrianC I cannot see any sign 200M before you need to be in the filter????
Is it invisible????
True the road marks say get into the right lane to turn right but at this stage a stranger does not know they need to turn right to go to North End or Copnor etc.0 -
I seem to remember getting trapped in the wrong lane in Bath once but traffic behind me did not have another spare lane to bypass me in (as in the example shown) so I kept going rather than block the entire road - if traffic could easily get round me then I would not have worried so much.0
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You approach lane 3 and see it is full. Signal left, move to lane 1. Turn left into the Harvester and turn around, then go straight over the junction to Burrsfields Road. :xmastree::snow_grin:xmastree:0
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