Who would be at fault in this situation?

Head_The_Ball

Of course it can happen. It would only have taken one more vehicle in lane 3 for it to have happened to me on that occasion and I was there outside of rush hour when there would have been many more vehicles wanting to turn right at that junction.

Car_54

boliston wrote: »

I can't see that this sign would be legally binding, only advisory

But ignoring it would seem to fall within the definition of careless or inconsiderate driving.

Moto2

Head_The_Ball wrote: »

I don't know where you get all that from? There was no accident involving me.

It is simply a theoretical question prompted by a recent experience when there was only just enough room for me to join the end of the lane 3 right hand turn queue.

I set me wondering what would happen if I or another driver stopped in lane 2 waiting for lane 3 to clear and was rear ended.

That has never happened to me although doubtless it has happened to other drivers at this and similar junctions.

Wanting to turn right or just stopped in the carriageway, makes no difference and is irrelevant.
Generally speaking if you rear end someone that's stopped, you'll probably be held at fault.

DUTR

Head_The_Ball wrote: »

Of course it can happen. It would only have taken one more vehicle in lane 3 for it to have happened to me on that occasion and I was there outside of rush hour when there would have been many more vehicles wanting to turn right at that junction.

I can't see how it can happen as explained earlier, the right filter when full would bring lane 2 to a stop.
For someone to be in lane 2 wanting lane 3 would have reacted to slowly and a danger on the road to other users of that section.

Head_The_Ball

DUTR wrote: »

I can't see how it can happen as explained earlier, the right filter when full would bring lane 2 to a stop.
For someone to be in lane 2 wanting lane 3 would have reacted to slowly and a danger on the road to other users of that section.

Of course it can happen.

As lane 3 fills one vehicle will take the last space and a following vehicle that wants that lane will then either have to stop in lane 2 or carry on, as per the options in the OP.

That does not necessarily mean that the following vehicle has reacted slowly. They may be following a vehicle that doesn't signal right but turns right into lane 3 anyway. There are plenty of other possibilities that do not imply fault on that driver.

Car_54

The definition of careless is driving which falls below the standard of a careful and competent driver. Does a careful and competent driver ignore police signs?

Also "A person is to be regarded as driving without reasonable consideration for other persons only if those persons are inconvenienced by his driving." You'd certainly be inconveniencing those behind, in defiance of the police instruction.

Car_54

A police notice "telling people not to queue in lane " sounds like an instruction to me.

But if it is indeed advice from the police, would a careful and competent driver ignore it?

DUTR

Head_The_Ball wrote: »

Of course it can happen.

As lane 3 fills one vehicle will take the last space and a following vehicle that wants that lane will then either have to stop in lane 2 or carry on, as per the options in the OP.

That does not necessarily mean that the following vehicle has reacted slowly. They may be following a vehicle that doesn't signal right but turns right into lane 3 anyway. There are plenty of other possibilities that do not imply fault on that driver.

The OP described a driver in lane 2 wanting lane 3 and vehicles are to his offside.

Car_54

What other purpose do you suppose it serves?

If you mean "Is it a road sign as specified in the The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002?", then the answer is "probably - see section 8".

However, whether properly authorised or not, anyone ignoring it might find it hard to convince the Sheriff that he wasn't driving like an (Text removed by MSE Forum Team)and guilty of CD.

boliston

Car_54 wrote: »

But ignoring it would seem to fall within the definition of careless or inconsiderate driving.

The sign also seems ambiguous as it just says "no queuing for the car park" - you might have just been wanting to queue in lane 3 without having any intention of queuing for the car park.