Who would be at fault in this situation?

loskie

if the driver in L2 signalled in plenty of time, slowed at a gradual pace then stopped awaiting entry to L3 then was shunted, the driver that was turning responsibly was not at fault.
If his/her brake/indicator lights were not visible (dirty?) then he must accept some fault.
Good roadcraft is about anticipating what is going on ahead of and around you.

http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/using-the-road---road-junctions-170-to-183.html

Sicard

You should be indicating to turn right on the approach to the full slip road which will warn any following drivers of your intentions. Your line of sight should tell you well beforehand the lane is full but you queue behind the full slip road. If anyone rear-ends you they shouldn't be driving.

jobdone1

Just a question what's the road speed limit. It looks a terrible road layout

Roland_Sausage

Head_The_Ball wrote: »

Traffic ahead of the theoretical driver has already filled lane 3 (the right turn slip road).

There's a right turn lane leading to the Union Square shopping centre in Aberdeen which is far too short, and the police have put up a notice telling people not to queue in lane 2 for it.

https://goo.gl/maps/ADLaSujwLEr

The car park referred to on the sign is where the right turn lane leads to.

If the right turn lane is full and you wanted to turn right, you have to carry on quite fat past it and find the other entrance.

boliston

Roland_Sausage wrote: »

There's a right turn lane leading to the Union Square shopping centre in Aberdeen which is far too short, and the police have put up a notice telling people not to queue in lane 2 for it.

https://goo.gl/maps/ADLaSujwLEr

The car park referred to on the sign is where the right turn lane leads to.

If the right turn lane is full and you wanted to turn right, you have to carry on quite fat past it and find the other entrance.

I can't see that this sign would be legally binding, only advisory

PasturesNew

Personally, for me, it'd depend on traffic flow - if I could slow down and see ahead sufficiently to just be "moving slowly" before slotting into the right hand lane, I'd do that. If I felt I'd be a danger/nuisance then I'd just sigh and think "oh well, I'll carry on as expected, then turn round and come back at this junction".

If I am in a lane I will always do what is expected of me in that lane if it's not easy/safe to change lanes. I'd expect to just carry on straight ahead, then look for a way to turn round and come back at the junction.

It's the only "safe" way to proceed as a natural response to finding yourself in the wrong spot.

thescouselander

There's loads of junctions like that round here and because the traffic is so bad the right hand lane often gets full. Option 1 is a perfectly legitimate manoeuvre to if needing to wait at the end of the queue. If someone does pile into the back of the queue then it's clearly their fault.

The thing to watch out for in these circumstances is when going past the queue in lane 1 as people stuck in lane 2 wanting to go straight might suddenly pull out into lane 1.

DUTR

thescouselander wrote: »

There's loads of junctions like that round here and because the traffic is so bad the right hand lane often gets full. Option 1 is a perfectly legitimate manoeuvre to if needing to wait at the end of the queue. If someone does pile into the back of the queue then it's clearly their fault.

The thing to watch out for in these circumstances is when going past the queue in lane 1 as people stuck in lane 2 wanting to go straight might suddenly pull out into lane 1.

Lane 3 is merged off lane 2, so if lane 3 is full it will bring lane 2 to a stop, I may have read the OP wrong, it read to me that he was in lane 2, with enough room for cars to pass on his offisde, looking at the junction in street view, this would indicate that the OP (if it was him) was in lane 2 for too long decided he wanted to turn right and an approaching vehicle , didn't want to let him into the right lane.
Unless of course he is saying that it was his nearside rear end that got hit not the offside.

Head_The_Ball

DUTR wrote: »

Lane 3 is merged off lane 2, so if lane 3 is full it will bring lane 2 to a stop, I may have read the OP wrong, it read to me that he was in lane 2, with enough room for cars to pass on his offisde, looking at the junction in street view, this would indicate that the OP (if it was him) was in lane 2 for too long decided he wanted to turn right and an approaching vehicle , didn't want to let him into the right lane.
Unless of course he is saying that it was his nearside rear end that got hit not the offside.

I don't know where you get all that from? There was no accident involving me.

It is simply a theoretical question prompted by a recent experience when there was only just enough room for me to join the end of the lane 3 right hand turn queue.

I set me wondering what would happen if I or another driver stopped in lane 2 waiting for lane 3 to clear and was rear ended.

That has never happened to me although doubtless it has happened to other drivers at this and similar junctions.

DUTR

Head_The_Ball wrote: »

I don't know where you get all that from? There was no accident involving me.

It is simply a theoretical question prompted by a recent experience when there was only just enough room for me to join the end of the lane 3 right hand turn queue.

I set me wondering what would happen if I or another driver stopped in lane 2 waiting for lane 3 to clear and was rear ended.

That has never happened to me although doubtless it has happened to other drivers at this and similar junctions.

You missed the point in brackets (if it was him), as for theoretically, looking at the street view that can never really happen the situation that you described. From the V in the road lines is much less than 70meters and that 70 meters is a good 15 car lengths.