Charge for not displaying permit

Quentin

Ignoring debt collectors letters is the advice throughout this forum.

Ricey87

Quentin wrote: »

Ignoring debt collectors letters is the advice throughout this forum.

Ok, but this letter is from UKCPS, the parking company, and not a debt collector. Does that change things?

safarmuk

The letter actually reads:

Re: Unpaid Parking Charge: <Redacted>
At: <Redacted>
On: 17 Nov 2016 14.42
Reason: Without a valid permit or authority (number plate redacted).

FINAL ATTEMPT TO GET YOU TO COUGH UP CASH WITH A SCARY SOUNDING SHOUTY HEADING.

Regarding the above case number UKCPS Ltd are willing to beg for some cash to save us the bother of taking you to court where we could lose and have to shell out for a legal begal for the day and/or pay your costs. It would be nice if you could save us this hassle and inconvenience by please, please giving us £85 which must sound better now than the higher offers we have been previously begging for surely? Go on, you know you want to ... please? If you don't we will be a bit miffed and you will continue down our automated workflow which may mean at some point you are picked for some more automated SHOUTY letters and potentially a real robo-court claim (see above) ...

If a reduced offer of £85.00 is made before Wednesday 23 August 2017, this be accepted as final settlement and to get this we are currently sitting outside your house rattling a cup hoping for £85 gold coins to be dropped in ... go on ...

If a settlement is not made by the above date the case will continue to be run by a process driven system and we will send further SHOUTY letters begging for further cash from our scary "Solicitor" friends who will take up full on mega begging action which may eventually fall into the County Court process flow. Please phone us on <redacted> and pledge your £85 now ...

Yours sincerely,
UKCPS Ltd.

Until you get one that actually is a LBC from Gladstones (or whatever legal team they use) you can safely ignore. When you get the LBC then you must take it more seriously and respond.

Umkomaas

Just ignore it. Come back if you get one headed 'Letter Before Claim/Latter Before Action or real court papers. We can't give you any other advice at this point.

You're going to have to see this through as each stage materialises.

Quentin

Ricey87 wrote: »

Ok, but this letter is from UKCPS, the parking company, and not a debt collector. Does that change things?

It's a debt collecting letter!


Again throughout this forum the advice is not to contact the PPC after the appeals stage - ignore everything except court corresponmdence or a letter before court action

Loadsofchildren123

That's NOT a LBC

Loadsofchildren123

Ricey87 wrote: »

The right to park was granted by the employer, but the permit issued was via UKCPS who state on the permit that it must be shown at all times.

You need to look in detail at the timeline.
In the case of Admiral the employee is granted the rights by Admiral and signs a contract with Admiral which makes no reference to penalty charges or a 3rd party enforcer.
After signing the employee is then given a permit bearing the PPX's details and with a sheet of the PPC's T&Cs. These make reference to an unspecified charge. There are further T&Cs in the car park itself.
I argued that the actual contract was with Admiral and the terms were what the employee had signed. The add-ins from the PPC were unenforceable and meaningless.

So you need to look at what exactly your contract was with the employer.

Read that Admiral thread. The OP sent the suggested LBCs to the employee and the PPC. They worked and the PCN was cancelled. The same LBC has been used by 2 other employees that I know about, again with success. I also have a draft Defence which was never used but you could use and adapt when the time comes. It focuses on what the actual contractual terms were and how the PPC couldn't offer rights to park which the employee already had and couldn't impose conditions and further terms in respect of rights that had already been granted.

Ricey87

UPDATE:

We have have now received a letter from a debt recovery company asking for a payment of £160 and that if it's not paid by a certain date they will recommended to UKCPS to take court action.

Any suggestions on what to do?

safarmuk

UPDATE:

We have have now received a letter from a debt recovery company asking for a payment of £160 and that if it's not paid by a certain date they will recommended to UKCPS to take court action.

Any suggestions on what to do?

The advice on letters from Debt Recovery companies is clear in the Newbies thread.

You ignore until you receive a real Letter Before Claim from the PPC or their Solicitors. I am presuming the letter you received is not that. It sounds more like another SHOUTY begging letter.

The clue is in who they are asking you to pay, the Debt Recovery company or the PPC or their Solicitors.

mr_megs

Read the sticky, it's quite clear to IGNORE all debt recovery letters...