Just worked out what we are paying per our for daughter's uni education...scarey!

phebe3

Youngest is at uni. Does 3 half days a week (I know some degree courses are more, some less) She has just broken up for Xmas and has told me she finishes her teaching hours , at uni, in April. So it works out she is paying about £50 an hour to the university for her to be taught. Thankfully she lives at home at the moement and commutes so doesn't have accomodation costs. She wasn't desparate to do a degree, and in fact is a year behind her peers, but decided it was an investment in her work career. (not sure about that as other daughter isn't earning big bucks despite her 2.1 maths degree form a very highly thought of uni)
One of our other daughters is a primary school teacher, challenging classes, full time and doesn't get paid anything like that much.

Seems a very uneven ball park to me...particularly as to my mind school teachers have it far harder as the behaviour issues are more challenging, let alone trying to get a basic education into the kids, teaching them to read, write, spell and basic maths...which to my mind is more important than a uni degree?! University education costs seem to be very inflated?

tykesi

Your post makes very little sense although I think I get the gist.

Uni is expensive, everyone knows that but the government and the education system is fixated on getting people to go to university. Unfortunately for many people who do, they wonderful world of working they'd have you believe is waiting for you post-uni doesn't actually exist and degrees mean very little.

phebe3

I can't quite see how it makes very little sense..it's in English, spelling and grammer ok and to me makes sense. I was just taken aback by how little teaching hours she has compared to my other daughter's degrees..which cost the same amount. I guess I presumed she would be in more, not be finishing in April.

I agree with you that the government and society seems very set on everyone having degrees. The trouble is nowadays if you don't have one you could be at a disadvantage in your career, especially if an employer is choosing between you without a degree and someone with, as the degree does show they are capable of commiting themselves to a certain amount of study over time.
Both my elder two children found employers were just as interested in job and life experience...luckily they had both as we had always told them this.

I still think that £9000 plus a year is a lot for three half days in very short terms..shorter than schools. Yes, I know she is paying for the research etc..still seems a lot.

JJ_Egan

It is a lot if at the end of the day its not an advantage to an employer .

>>found employers were just as interested in job and life experience. <<
Thats what puts them in to the consider pile for me .

Hermia

phebe3 wrote: »

I can't quite see how it makes very little sense..it's in English, spelling and grammer ok and to me makes sense. I was just taken aback by how little teaching hours she has compared to my other daughter's degrees..which cost the same amount. I guess I presumed she would be in more, not be finishing in April.

I agree with you that the government and society seems very set on everyone having degrees. The trouble is nowadays if you don't have one you could be at a disadvantage in your career, especially if an employer is choosing between you without a degree and someone with, as the degree does show they are capable of commiting themselves to a certain amount of study over time.
Both my elder two children found employers were just as interested in job and life experience...luckily they had both as we had always told them this.

I still think that £9000 plus a year is a lot for three half days in very short terms..shorter than schools. Yes, I know she is paying for the research etc..still seems a lot.

Bear in mind that there is a lot more on offer. The uni I went to had lots of lectures and classes students could attend for free even if they were not studying those subjects. There were so many facilities you could use (for example, the gym or the music rooms). The library was superb and the staff offered lots of free workshops in subjects such as research (I still use the skills I learned). The academic staff were always happy for keen students to get involved in projects and that led to making contacts in the field. I even had a couple of friends who ended up with their names in print which was a big boost to their CVs. I used to find that most students just went to lectures and then mooched about in the student union. If you are paying thousands a year you really want to make the most of the facilities offered.

agrinnall

Well, the easy answer is for your daughter to get her degree and then spend the rest of her life working for a salary lower than £21,000 so that her university education has been free of charge.

takman

Well like others have said the money has to cover not just the cost of the classes but the cost of all the staff, facilities, educational material.

The cost of the library at a university alone is massive. One local to me have half a million books which cost in the range of £10 - £100+ each. They also have a cost over over 1 million pounds a year on journal subscriptions and other education material.

Plus they have hundreds of different sports and hobbies society's that they fully fund and anyone can join. Also of they don't have one for the activity you want to do they will fully fund any new one you setup if you can get 20 members.

You don't see any of that in a primary school.

But I find it strange that you should say:

One of our other daughters is a primary school teacher, challenging classes, full time and doesn't get paid anything like that much

Obviously the lecturers are not being paid the £50 an hour from each student as their wage!!. Primary school teaching is basically skilled childcare and the lesson planning is very simple. But a university lecturer will spend alot of time to prepare for a lecture and requires alot of high level knowledge. They then have to mark 20 degree level assignments and exams every few months which takes hours each and alot of knowledge to understand them.

lincroft1710

phebe3 wrote: »

it's in English, spelling and grammer ok

Tongue-in-cheek, typo or....

foxtrotoscar_2

lincroft1710 wrote: »

Tongue-in-cheek, typo or....

Scarey or scary too?:D

photome

lincroft1710 wrote: »

Tongue-in-cheek, typo or....

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paying per our

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

phebe3 wrote: »

Youngest is at uni. Does 3 half days a week (I know some degree courses are more, some less) She has just broken up for Xmas and has told me she finishes her teaching hours , at uni, in April. So it works out she is paying about £50 an hour to the university for her to be taught.

She will be on three thirteen week semesters, with 10 weeks of lectures, 1 week of revision and two weeks of exams. If her fees are £9,000 per anum, she will be paying around £14.30 an hour for lectures.
6 Hours per day, 21 hours per week. (3 1/2 days)
210 hours per semester, 630 hour per year.
£9,000 / 630 hours

Besides, you are taught at college, at University you get lectures and have to study!