Just worked out what we are paying per our for daughter's uni education...scarey!

ThumbRemote

takman wrote: »

Obviously the lecturers are not being paid the £50 an hour from each student as their wage!!. Primary school teaching is basically skilled childcare and the lesson planning is very simple. But a university lecturer will spend alot of time to prepare for a lecture and requires alot of high level knowledge. They then have to mark 20 degree level assignments and exams every few months which takes hours each and alot of knowledge to understand them.

Thus speaks someone with no idea whatsoever of what either primary school teachers or university lecturers actually do.

Primary school teachers must plan each lesson to be targeted at the current abilities of the children in their class. They teach for most of the day, 40 weeks a year. They have to mark 30 sets of work multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day. The lesson planning is lengthy because the curriculum changes often. They need both a broad and deep knowledge, as the effectiveness of their teaching is monitored and compared against other teachers in the country.

Meanwhile a lecturer turns up, gives the same lecture on their area of speciality that they've done for the last 10+ years, does a few lectures over the course of the week for a short amount of the year, and marks mainly at exam time. That's why they have so much time to do research and write papers - the lecturing is often a sideline.

StaffieTerrier

ThumbRemote wrote: »

Thus speaks someone with no idea whatsoever of what either primary school teachers or university lecturers actually do.

Primary school teachers must plan each lesson to be targeted at the current abilities of the children in their class. They teach for most of the day, 40 weeks a year. They have to mark 30 sets of work multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day. The lesson planning is lengthy because the curriculum changes often. They need both a broad and deep knowledge, as the effectiveness of their teaching is monitored and compared against other teachers in the country.

Meanwhile a lecturer turns up, gives the same lecture on their area of speciality that they've done for the last 10+ years, does a few lectures over the course of the week for a short amount of the year, and marks mainly at exam time. That's why they have so much time to do research and write papers - the lecturing is often a sideline.

I work in a Russell Group University. The lecturers that I work with are expected to bring in enough grant money to cover their own wages, plus their research. The teaching is a compulsory part of their contract but the research is their main focus because that's what pays to keep them in their post. We've recently had redundancies for those not generating enough research income

missbiggles1

Being at university is (or at least should be) about learning rather than being taught. All the facilities such as staff, library, IT are there to facilitate that learning to the best of the students' abilities.

takman

ThumbRemote wrote: »

Thus speaks someone with no idea whatsoever of what either primary school teachers or university lecturers actually do.

Primary school teachers must plan each lesson to be targeted at the current abilities of the children in their class. They teach for most of the day, 40 weeks a year. They have to mark 30 sets of work multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day. The lesson planning is lengthy because the curriculum changes often. They need both a broad and deep knowledge, as the effectiveness of their teaching is monitored and compared against other teachers in the country.

Meanwhile a lecturer turns up, gives the same lecture on their area of speciality that they've done for the last 10+ years, does a few lectures over the course of the week for a short amount of the year, and marks mainly at exam time. That's why they have so much time to do research and write papers - the lecturing is often a sideline.

A university lecturer earns far more than a primary school teacher. So if being a lecturer is such an easy job and easier than a primary school teacher why don't they all apply to a university for a job instead?.
The simple fact is that they don't have the knowledge or skill to be able to do that job. I'm not trying to belittle primary school teachers because they do an important job, I'm just giving a realistic comparison.

Also as the poster above said research and papers are part of their job and they are expected to be pushing the boundaries in their area of expertise, so you can't say lecturing is a sideline when it's all part of the same job!.

Plus to say they give the same lecture that they have done for the last 10+ years is ridiculous. You really think someone on an IT course or programming course, robotics course etc will be learning the same content as 10 years ago????.

pinkshoes

My PGCE cost around £56/hour for taught hours, which was fine when I felt we learnt something, but quite frankly some of the lecturers were awful and I went away an hour later feeling quite cross!

A degree from a decent university in a wanted subject is a good stepping stone, but the rest is down to personality, social skills, experience, and ambition.

JReacher1

ThumbRemote wrote: »

Thus speaks someone with no idea whatsoever of what either primary school teachers or university lecturers actually do.

Primary school teachers must plan each lesson to be targeted at the current abilities of the children in their class. They teach for most of the day, 40 weeks a year. They have to mark 30 sets of work multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day. The lesson planning is lengthy because the curriculum changes often. They need both a broad and deep knowledge, as the effectiveness of their teaching is monitored and compared against other teachers in the country.

Meanwhile a lecturer turns up, gives the same lecture on their area of speciality that they've done for the last 10+ years, does a few lectures over the course of the week for a short amount of the year, and marks mainly at exam time. That's why they have so much time to do research and write papers - the lecturing is often a sideline.

You're comparing apples and oranges. They are two completely different professions.

Academically a university lecturer is obviously significantly harder than a primary school teacher and yet a primary school teacher will have a more intensive working day than a lecturer will.

Its not really fair to compare one job with the other to try and make out one is better than the other.

daytona0

My 2:1 maths degree was fairly useless in the grand scheme of things, though I still use my dissertation in job interviews! I say "fairly useless" but it is kind of the basic qualification required these days!

University was just a 'free' 3 years of messing abut, with a piece of paper handed out at the end of it. Being totally honest but my degree probably came out at about £1k per lecture (that tends to happen when you don't show up!).

warehouse

You're moaning about university fee's yet my local garage charged me £20 per minute for the recent work on my car.

Who are the crooks here?

Sharon87

Don't worry about the fees, most students wont repay all of their student loan or uni fees, unless they earn a massive amount in their career, then if that was the case it was obviously worth it. Don't get me wrong I do think 9k a year is stupidly ridiculous, but the student loan expires after 30 years so if you don't pay it off by then it goes away.

lincroft1710

warehouse wrote: »

You're moaning about university fee's yet my local garage charged me £20 per minute for the recent work on my car.

Who are the crooks here?

Was this a "minimum labour charge" as £1200 per hour does seem excessive!!