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Need help from any medical /legal experts regarding ESA fraud
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I see lots of completed WCA's. They are largely tick box exercises.
Also, they are not deciding if you are ill or not. They are to assess if you can work. Lots of people with disabilities do. Me for starters.0 -
I see lots of completed WCA's. They are largely tick box exercises.
Also, they are not deciding if you are ill or not. They are to assess if you can work. Lots of people with disabilities do. Me for starters.
Are you in pain while you are working? If so do you think it is detrimental to the quality of your work?Do not be fooled into believing that this society cannot be made fairer because hard work isn't necessarily all it takes.
There are those on MSE DT who know the price of everything but the value of little.0 -
some of which you might not forcibly fully understand due to the medical use of terms.
Necessarily? Or forcing the facts down their throats?:)0 -
Surely the person completing the assessment will base their answers on what they see ? I have no experience in this field but if someone said to me they couldn't walk for 5 mins to a shop, but had got to the assessment using public transport, i would assume they can walk for 5 mins ? I also have pain every day, i have osteoarthritis in my knees and feet, i take medication for it, but i still work full time. If you're in pain and have been advised you need surgery to help with this, why haven't you followed this up ?0
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And that's why however much we hate the subjectivity of the assessment, and we can try to remove bias as much as possible, no assessment will ever be 100% objective. It is in the gift of the assessor to decide how much they take what they are told into account vs what they witness, triage to gather in such a small period of time whether the applicant might be exaggerating their circumstances to maximise their chances of award vs accepting that what they witness might not be representative of every day struggles experienced.
However, the above cannot be described as lying. It is a best attempt at making the most accurate account of a person ability to work.0 -
TheNickster wrote: »Are you in pain while you are working? If so do you think it is detrimental to the quality of your work?
Yes, I am in pain most of the time. I don't think it has any bearing on the quality of my work. It's a chronic condition so it's a question of learning to live with it. I have arthritis in my neck, shoulders & knees together with neuropathy.0 -
Yes, I am in pain most of the time. I don't think it has any bearing on the quality of my work. It's a chronic condition so it's a question of learning to live with it. I have arthritis in my neck, shoulders & knees together with neuropathy.
So what you are really saying is that the OP should not even be applying for ESA even if he is in constant pain because you manage to work while being in constant pain.. Are you saying that the medication you take does not relieve the pain you say you are in while you are working?.
Strong pain killers come with a number of unpleasant side effects and opioids can be very addictive.Do not be fooled into believing that this society cannot be made fairer because hard work isn't necessarily all it takes.
There are those on MSE DT who know the price of everything but the value of little.0 -
TheNickster wrote: »So what you are really saying is that the OP should not even be applying for ESA even if he is in constant pain because you manage to work while being in constant pain.. Are you saying that the medication you take does not relieve the pain you say you are in while you are working?.
Strong pain killers come with a number of unpleasant side effects and opioids can be very addictive.
I don't believe I said that he shouldn't be applying for ESA. I said having a disability and working are not mutually exclusive. It depends how your disability manifests itself.0 -
I don't believe I said that he shouldn't be applying for ESA. I said having a disability and working are not mutually exclusive. It depends how your disability manifests itself.
The passive aggressive implication was there in my view. Your clarification is welcome.Do not be fooled into believing that this society cannot be made fairer because hard work isn't necessarily all it takes.
There are those on MSE DT who know the price of everything but the value of little.0 -
TheNickster wrote: »The passive aggressive implication was there in my view. Your clarification is welcome.
Really? That's the problem with the internet. Very easy to misunderstand what someone has said.
It's called a WCA as it's to establish if you are fit for work. It's not to establish if someone has an illness or disability.0
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