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pappa_golf

Stravinsky wrote: »

I'm not sure Ive made myself clear judging by your comment papa golf
I dont have any information
I never received a parking notice. I never received a reminder
I didnt know I was put into court
I didnt know I had a CCJ until I applied for a credit card and was rejected

CEL have ignored every recorded delivery letter, every email, every telephone message. My defence has gone in with the advice of a solicitor who has experience with parking problems on the basis I was never served, and never communicated with etc etc. Its the only defence we had as CEL say nothing

then CEL will have to show docuaments before the court hearing , have or had you moved house or changed the car at this period in time ?

forget writing to cel , has the judge asked you to go back or have CEL restarted the claim?

Stravinsky

Coupon-mad wrote: »

So they probably sent it all to an old address?

yes they presumably did .... but luckily I have always been in touch with the person who bought our old property and forwarded anything to us, and he has given me an email saying he has never receieved any paperwork at that address

Also the CCJ was issued 12 months after we had moved

Stravinsky

pappa_golf wrote: »

then CEL will have to show docuaments before the court hearing , have or had you moved house or changed the car at this period in time ?

forget writing to cel , has the judge asked you to go back or have CEL restarted the claim?

The judge granted the set aside on condition of me making a defence. So thats what I did and now I find myself fighting the original issue again.

I have a choice basically. just go to court and fight, or go to mediation and then go to court if we dont come to an agreement. Ive chosen the latter for the moment. I'm working on the basis that if it is the Kings Heath car park then I should be able to defend it easily. i want my £255 back for getting the CCJ set aside!!!! :-)

pappa_golf

hope you are keeping track of all those recorded letters you are sending ?

might come in handy

you cannot mediate unless you have the facts

and without those , no one can suggest a defence

Stravinsky

All letters sent recorded delivery
You're right a defence of nothing is nothing, but then we have to ask is a judge going to find against me if the claimant supplies nothing right up to the court date?

pappa_golf

well , you were served with a default CCJ because you never answered (well did,nt recieve it?) so they should be shot down as well for failing to provide info , however they will throw two fingers to the law , realise they have not got another "punter" who will ring up offer to pay to get it marked satisfied , and move on

I note the comments on mail fowarding and the time difference , have you had sight of the origional claim or been given the address it was sent to?

more checking needs to be done on the address the court sent the papers to , this is done with the MCOL centre , not CEL

pappa_golf

read

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/mp-chris-evans-states-courts-must-learn.html

Stravinsky

pappa_golf wrote: »

well , you were served with a default CCJ because you never answered (well did,nt recieve it?) so they should be shot down as well for failing to provide info , however they will throw two fingers to the law , realise they have not got another "punter" who will ring up offer to pay to get it marked satisfied , and move on

I note the comments on mail fowarding and the time difference , have you had sight of the origional claim or been given the address it was sent to?

more checking needs to be done on the address the court sent the papers to , this is done with the MCOL centre , not CEL

Well, they ignored my calls to them so they are showi ng a strange way of getting another punter to pay :-).

I have sight of the claim that Birmingham CC has, which just shows debt and damages. The original claim was made in Northampton CC and transferred to Birmingham. I know the address the papers were allegedly sent to as the court has told me ... sent by a bulk handling agent office in Northampton. Its an address I used to live at 12 monthsor so before the alleged offence. There was also 12 months between the alleged offence and the court hearing. No mail was received at that address, I am in contact with the new owner

I think this thread was really to warn others .... I'm doing all I can do
If CEL respond to the mediation process, it will be interesting to see

If they dont then the mediation company will be able to report that to the court

CEL dont have a good record on turning up to court proceedings and communicating with people

pappa_golf

ok , courts don,t usually lie about sending papers out , so why were they not recieved? that is a question I would be asking the court

PS , I thought that if you did not reply , a default was done at northampton , why was it transfered to to birmingham , any significance to you? its almost as if someone acnolaged the claim but did not follow it thru

the claim would be at northampton or thier local court (liverpool) untill someone ask for it to be moved

are you near birmingham?

Stravinsky

Sorry for delay, internet problems

To answer your questions:
I have no idea why the papers were not served. Asking the court wont reveal much unfortunately. The last address is a secure apartment block. Maybe the postie couldnt get access, i dont know but the court have no record of receiving them back ... but I'm talking to Birmingham now not Northampton

Yes the claim was originally issued in northampton because (I assume) thats where the offices for bulk mailing of summons are located

No, it wouldnt be Liverpool because they all use this bulk mailing service in Northampton

The court transferred the claim to Birmingham as they realised thats where I was situated when I made the application to set aside the CCJ