Watching children in need without a licence

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Mr.Generous wrote: »

do anyone's kids have their own license??

No. So they have to watch in places which do have one. Even "students" are not covered in the circumstances described.

Mr.Generous wrote: »

Ah your right, she mentioned an old tv set, If we had been able to advise in time I bet the kid could bring some sort of mobile device, If not she must be the only kid in the uk without one!!

I'm certain any advice given here was roundly ignored anyhow..

Swipe

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

Not (as already pointed out) a minor as a guest in another home without a license.

I agree nothing is ever likely to come of it, but that's not the point.

So if this grandchild goes down the road to the bus stop and watches a bit of iplayer on their phone while waiting for the bus they are not covered by their home TV licence? What a load of cobblers!

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Swipe wrote: »

So if this grandchild goes down the road to the bus stop and watches a bit of iplayer on their phone while waiting for the bus they are not covered by their home TV licence? What a load of cobblers!

The discussion is not about watching at a bus stop. It's about a child going to a house without a TV license and viewing live on a TV set via a Freeview box.

Since Children In Need was shown last week, this thread has run it's course....

Lrimas

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

The discussion is not about watching at a bus stop. It's about a child going to a house without a TV license and viewing live on a TV set via a Freeview box.

Since Children In Need was shown last week, this thread has run it's course....

No its not. You did not read the OP properly where they clearly ask:

"Or can I just pay as I view somehow? Or watch it on the laptop? Or?"

I think this was just a misunderstanding from your part.

Cornucopia

Okay so to pick out the relevant issues...


1. The girl will be covered by her parents Licence to watch live TV on a laptop or other portable device that is powered by internal batteries and connected via wifi.

2. The grandparent is not (IMO) covered to watch over the girl's shoulder.

3. In reality, as long as only the girl is watching, she (technically) will not be prosecuted by TVL, even if there is no coverage from a parental Licence. They do not prosecute visitors and do not interview or prosecute minors.

4. The shortest period of time that you can obtain a Licence for is 3 months (buy 12 months, and obtain 9 months refund). You *may* at TVL's discretion also be able to cancel a Licence being paid for by monthly DD in month 1, having paid for 2 months.



It's all very well talking about the "morality" of the situation, but the truth is that most laws have complex details, and it is a good life lesson to understand that what you might think is the law, almost certainly isn't. I certainly cannot see any value in criticising anyone for seeking out a valid "loophole" in a Law, since the loophole IS the law, and "loophole" is the wrong word, anyway. (The right one being "lacuna").

The other reason not to go too far overboard on morality, is that TVL must vie for one of the least moral UK public institutions of recent times.

VisionMan

I think thats the end of the thread.

silverwhistle

VisionMan wrote: »

watching anything live without a TV licence is illegal full stop.

Hmm, you're always a bit vague with your statements. So looking at a live webcam in the Alps to see how the snow is needs a licence? My mate's live feed of his bird table likewise?

VisionMan

silverwhistle wrote: »

Hmm, you're always a bit vague with your statements. So looking at a live webcam in the Alps to see how the snow is needs a licence? My mate's live feed of his bird table likewise?

If such is via the BBC yes. Unless your mate wants his webcam covered by the TVL?

caronoel

Bit late now, but I am surprised no one suggested watching it in a neighbours house

elljay

Just to tie this up, she brought her tablet with her so she could watch it but really only wanted to see a couple of her favourite acts and the total raised. As she could see those just as well on her return home we both decided to do other things instead (including a countryside walk in the dark under the stars) so the issue was avoided and I remain a law abiding granny - on this anyway! Which is all I wanted to know about in the first place.

Interesting discussion however, it seems I'm not the only one to be confused by it all. I can't also help thinking of the 'casting the first stone' saying, none of us is perfect legally or morally.

Thanks again all. The box remains in the loft and I'll carry on using my tv for videos.