UKPC Parking ticket in my own space - with a twist...

misteranonimous

Castle wrote: »

They have to send you the NTK after 28 days but before 56 days following the parking event. So, based on 14th August this would be between 11th September and 9th October.

Thanks.

So basically, UKPC have passed the deadline for retrieving the cars' registered addresses from DVLA, so regardless of the outcome from POPLA, UKPC would never be able to find the real addresses of the keepers...

Umkomaas

They use tracing agents who will soon get them the details. Are you saying that the address on the V5C (and driver licence) is now out of date and superseded by a new one?

If so, you need to be getting that notified to the DVLA (one for each separately) or you'll be potentially looking at a real fine - up to £1,000 - and the DVLA won't be settling for £15!

bokdrol

IamEmanresu wrote: »

You are missing the point. They are still maintaining you have a contract and are suggesting they discharge the obligation to pay them £100 by offering to forego their "rights" by accepting £15.

Clearly if you intend to go ahead and appeal to POPLA, it will cost them £27 (hence the £15) but if you fail at POPLA, they can come after you for the amount on the signs which is £100 plus £60 usually.

The decision needs to be based on facts, not what you consider to be logical as law and logic sometimes don't meet.

Why on earth would they forego their "rights" to £100 by accepting £15:(.
They are gambling on the fact that you may think they have a bona fide chance with POPLA and potentially a subsequent small-courts claim.
In reality, if they thought they had a realistic chance of £100 they would never have offered you a £15 settlement - granted, they are hardly the Brains of Britain, but they are also not completely stupid.
I would be very surprised if they even contested a properly-crafted POPLA appeal - remember that they only have to pay £27 if they contest your appeal, and they will get a chance to see your appeal before making a decision to contest.

misteranonimous

Umkomaas wrote: »

They use tracing agents who will soon get them the details. Are you saying that the address on the V5C (and driver licence) is now out of date and superseded by a new one?

If so, you need to be getting that notified to the DVLA (one for each separately) or you'll be potentially looking at a real fine - up to £1,000 - and the DVLA won't be settling for £15!

No, essentially I live at 2 addresses. My parents' address and this rented flat's address. As I move around a lot, all of my banks and other official documentation uses my parents' address, where I technically haven't moved out from, as I'm there every weekend. I am ditching this rented flat in 2 weeks and moving back into my parents' place full time.

The reason I ask is that one of the vehicles is mine, and the other vehicle belongs to my friend, who had parked at my place overnight. I am dealing with the parking tickets myself, so my friend is not involved. I was wondering if UKPC would be able to get my parents' address and my friend's address (the addresses where the 2 vehicles are registered to).

Umkomaas

They will write to the address on the V5C for each vehicle.

misteranonimous

Umkomaas wrote: »

They will write to the address on the V5C for each vehicle.

So you're saying there is no deadline for UKPC to fetch the registered details from the DVLA? Even though the 56 days have passed since the issuing of the ticket?

Just to clarify, in case you didn't read my initial post, I understand that if I had not appealed, they would have fetched the cars' registered details from the DVLA and sent the NTKs. However, I did appeal, and therefore no NTKs were received. But on the appeal, the address used were not the cars' registered ones, merely this rented flat's. I was wondering if there was a deadline for UKPC to get the keeper's details. If it's 56 days, then it has passed, and does this mean that they will not be able to get the registered addresses from the DVLA?

All of this is hypothetical at this point of course - conditional on POPLA backing UKPC.

System

Why on earth would they forego their "rights" to £100 by accepting £15

Because anyone with an alleged "debt" can accept a lesser amount e.g. 40% discount.

They are gambling on the fact that you may think they have a bona fide chance with POPLA and potentially a subsequent small-courts claim.

In reality, if they thought they had a realistic chance of £100 they would never have offered you a £15 settlement - granted, they are hardly the Brains of Britain, but they are also not completely stupid.

No it gives them two bites at the cherry. If it goes to court, they can say that there was an offer and secondly, they can go for costs on the basis the OP decided not to settle.

I would be very surprised if they even contested a properly-crafted POPLA appeal - remember that they only have to pay £27 if they contest your appeal, and they will get a chance to see your appeal before making a decision to contest.

Hope you are offering to craft such an appeal and will step up to the plate if it goes wrong.

Umkomaas

So you're saying there is no deadline for UKPC to fetch the registered details from the DVLA? Even though the 56 days have passed since the issuing of the ticket?

They have between 29 and 56 days to access from the DVLA.

But you need to be aware that lots of CCJs with trashed credit ratings have been effected by the PPC chasing a former address with them serving court papers on that address and them immediately going for a default CCJ at court.

Whether it will come to this is pure conjecture at this stage, but if you do get an unsatisfied CCJ and your credit rating is annihilated, then unpicking that can be not only time consuming, but expensive. You just need to be aware of any ramifications.

bokdrol

IamEmanresu wrote: »

Because anyone with an alleged "debt" can accept a lesser amount e.g. 40% discount.



No it gives them two bites at the cherry. If it goes to court, they can say that there was an offer and secondly, they can go for costs on the basis the OP decided not to settle.



Hope you are offering to craft such an appeal and will step up to the plate if it goes wrong.

I accept that someone with an alleged "debt" can accept a lesser amount, but an 85% discount - come on now!!


I see your point about the 2 bites of the cherry - sadly, that may be the case.
In reality, there shouldn't even be a cherry, but you can't rely on the lottery that is the present-day POPLA to even be able to distinguish between a genuine debt and a pie-in-the-sky demand for money.
Then if POPLA don't uphold the appeal then you could enter another lottery draw - the small-claims court


Perhaps you would like to point out where in my posts I have made any offer to craft an appeal - there are plenty of far better qualified posters on this forum who have already advised the OP in that regard.
Just suppose the OP follows your advice to pay up, and then proper legislation is put in place to outlaw these two-bit scammers - I would hope that you would step up to the plate and refund £15 to the OP .