How to stop people smoking outside a school.

BJV

As a reformed w woo 1 year and counting smoker I know it is difficult to not want to have a quick fag before you collect the kids.

BUT even when I was in full fag phase I always found a children drawing asking me not to smoke similar to the ones in most parks now always put me on a guilt trip.

curty510

as an ex smoker i wish you luck. Smoking in a public place is not against the law and smokers are a stubborn bunch.

Worse bad examples are set at schools with al the abandoning of the cars on double yellow, corners, across peoples drives to drop off & collect the children, when the parents live less than a mile away.

Rain_Shadow

ska_lover wrote: »

Again, Melodramatic


You really cannot compare someone who is drunk, to someone who is smoking a cigarette.


It IS actually illegal to drink in public spaces. Drink can change a persons judgment hence fights in nightclubs etc

No it isn't, for over 18s, unless there is a PSPO in place in which case police can intervene to stop it. And even then I'm not sure that anyone commits an offence of 'drinking in public'.

maman

pinkshoes wrote: »

Email the head teacher.

Let the head deal with it, and if they don't, then it speaks volumes!

I know many teachers that smoke, but smoking within view of the school is a big no-no! If anyone is that desparate for a lunch time smoke, they drive somewhere away from the school where no kids or parents will see them!

That's hardly fair or practical.


I'm aware that many headteachers have tried in vain to encourage parents not to smoke, swear or park right outside schools. Just because some parents don't comply it's hardly fair to blame the Head.


Similarly, many teachers hardly have more than a few minutes to themselves at lunchtime to have any sort of break so driving off isn't practical for many.

Zola.

Ak47

smoke them

lobbyludd

As someone who used to smoke, both public and private employers of mine in the past considered it a disciplinary, and indeed sometimes sacking, offence to be smoking in a public area where I could be associated with my employer.

This has included smoking whilst wearing a uniform or name badge that could identify me as being associated with the employer, and smoking outside the premises in normal clothes. To make this work they had to provide somewhere that we could smoke in that wasn't obvious to the public. So that could work for teachers.

But for other people - it's a legal, highly addictive and heavily taxed activity and smokers despite this are constantly shamed and excluded (just pointing it out) a non-judgemental approach working with those people who do smoke outside the school is probably likely to yield more benefits than anything else. so, identify the issue - what do you think patrents smoking outside the sachool does? encourage children to smoke, damage the school's reputation? what?

and then work with the peopel who are doing it to find out why and then change the school's practice arther than try and heap more shame on the smokers (it is more likeely to make them smoke more....)

so for example the longer smokers wait the more likely it is that they'll need to smoke - is the school prompt and reliable about when the children are released at the end of the day, do parents have to supervise their children until the bell goes at the beginning of the day or are there staff available to supervise them before school starts as soon as they hit the playground?

clint_S

ska_lover wrote: »

Bit melodramatic. Huge difference between smoking in a confined space with a child who has no option to breathe it in, than smoking outside in a public space...

Compared to telling someone to moan at traffic as they don't like people smoking outside a school?

clint_S

ska_lover wrote: »

Again, Melodramatic


You really cannot compare someone who is drunk, to someone who is smoking a cigarette.


It IS actually illegal to drink in public spaces. Drink can change a persons judgment hence fights in nightclubs etc

Again compared to telling someone to moan at cars because some said they don't like people smoking outside a school.


It isn't illegal to drink in public, you must only stop drinking when asked by a police officer.

SailorSam

It's not just Schools. I know whenever i've had to go the hospital you see the smokers there. The Royal here in Liverpool particularly they have signs and the pavements painted reminding people their on hospital property but still the smokers are there, even patients who've come out in wheelchairs with drips still attached.
There are security men but they're on a losing job trying to stop it.

ska_lover

Rain_Shadow wrote: »

No it isn't, for over 18s, unless there is a PSPO in place in which case police can intervene to stop it. And even then I'm not sure that anyone commits an offence of 'drinking in public'.

Ahh so I see, the PSPO are not legal notices, they are merely advisories, and if police confront street drinkers, the drinkers can tell them to jog on, as they aren't breaking any laws?