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Forced to terminate study for unpaid work?
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How much time are they spending looking for work?
^^^This^^^
And the answer is obviously very little, since they aren't available - as they are required to be.
I cannot see what the complexity here is. They are claiming JSA and are therefore required to be seeking work and to attend appointments etc., as required. Instead they are spending most of their time studying, don't wish to comply with claimant requirements, and if they don't get their own way they will probably claim they are sick. If they individual does not wish to seek work and wants to spend their time studying, then, as I said, this is easy. Sign off. Get a student or other loan. That is what everyone else has to do when they want to spent much of their time studying to better themselves. Why should the OP's friend be any different?0 -
I cannot see what the complexity here is. They are claiming JSA and are therefore required to be seeking work and to attend appointments etc., as required. Instead they are spending most of their time studying
The complexity is this:
The Job Center staff actually suggested the college so that they could apply for larger range of jobs. They agreed with this and signed up for a part time course at the college - they couldn't do full time as they wanted to keep looking for work at the same time, just in case something suitable did come up. They were given terms and conditions (I've wrote these previously, check up if you want to read them again) which they agreed to. The course was then offered to them free of charge.
It would be completely illogical for them to then say "Your not spending every waking hour of your day looking for work so you must sign off".
For what its worth, the college and job centre are in the same town, so time spent commuting to the college is unimportant as they visit the job centre daily anyway.0 -
^^^This^^^
And the answer is obviously very little, since they aren't available - as they are required to be.
I cannot see what the complexity here is. They are claiming JSA and are therefore required to be seeking work and to attend appointments etc., as required. Instead they are spending most of their time studying, don't wish to comply with claimant requirements, and if they don't get their own way they will probably claim they are sick. If they individual does not wish to seek work and wants to spend their time studying, then, as I said, this is easy. Sign off. Get a student or other loan. That is what everyone else has to do when they want to spent much of their time studying to better themselves. Why should the OP's friend be any different?
Many people work full time and study part time. I don't see any suggestion that the OP's friend is spending most of their time studying, there's still 90+ waking hours a week that they could be available for work.
The claimant has done nothing wrong here. They have been upfront with the Jobcentre about their study and I'm sure the OP will let him know that he needs to attend the course.
You made a mistake on the hours requirement, you're now making assumptions with no basis. Maybe it's time to apologise to the OP and back off.0 -
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For what its worth, the college and job centre are in the same town, so time spent commuting to the college is unimportant as they visit the job centre daily anyway.
How much time are they spending commuting from the college to the job centre?
How much time are they spending on non-classroom study?
How much time are they spending on writing essays or compiling portfolio of activity?
How much time are they spending looking for work?Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
Sorry, but I lost all sympathy when you played the "too sick to work" card if he's forced to work.
:rotfl: The irony of that phrase is not lost on me
But I agree 100% with you. It is naughty to pretend that you are ill to get out of things!
In reply to OPOP wrote:The ones that really annoy me are the ones that claim JSA and then work cash-in-hand on the side, and then as soon as they are asked to attend some course they immediately cease claiming. The other ones that annoy me are the ones that have kids just for the income, and then spit out more kids as soon as the ones they've had get too old to get benefits for.
They annoy everyone. But your "friend" could be one of the annoying ones too! The difference between your examples above and your "friend" is that the people in your examples 'play' the game! They do what they have to do to earn a crust! Your "friend" seems to want to 'cheat' at the game! They want the rules bending for them! If a cash-in-hand guy gets put on work placement then they just quit and re-apply! But your friend? No, its more about how can I stay on JSA whilst doing what I'm doing on the side? You have to give *some* credit to the baby gunners (shoot them out!) and cash-in-handers for how they work the system in their favour, even if you inherently know that it is wrong.
Your case seems to be very simple:
- If the JCP ADVISED your friend specifically to go to college, then friend simply needs to remind JCP of this and provide alternative dates/times when they will be available for work placements.
- If your friend decided to go to college and JCP did not specifically advise this (ie they said that you need to re-train in something else, but didn't say what and the friend decided to go for college), then friend will need to follow the example of the cash-in-handers you despise so much.
Can't possibly see how you can make any sort of argument beyond that!OP wrote:About the fraudsters, well I think it depends whether or not I'm friends with them I suppose
Little life lesson, but if you keep company with a fraudster then you might wake up one day and find that they've ran a fraud on you. Would you still be friends after that?
I'm not saying that your friend is a fraudster, or would defraud you, but you have to be a tad streetwise sometimes 0 -
'What I'm doing is bad but what other people are doing is worse' is always a bit lame.0
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About 15 minutes as that's how it takes to walk from one to the other.How much time are they spending commuting from the college to the job centre?How much time are they spending on non-classroom study?
Typically none, but now since exams are around the corner they are doing some revision in the evenings.How much time are they spending on writing essays or compiling portfolio of activity?
Zero.How much time are they spending looking for work?
Well they visit the job centre mon-fri, they are given newspapers and write to any available jobs from that, they've been to companies asking for vacancies and they use library PCs to online job searching. It's kinda hard to say how many hours per day is spent job searching however as new jobs don't just pop up every single day.0 -
Little life lesson, but if you keep company with a fraudster then you might wake up one day and find that they've ran a fraud on you. Would you still be friends after that? I'm not saying that your friend is a fraudster, or would defraud you, but you have to be a tad streetwise sometimes
You do realise that the statement was meant as tongue-in-cheek, don't you?0 -
You do realise that the statement was meant as tongue-in-cheek, don't you?
You do realise that you've ignored the rest of my post (ie the important bit), don't you?
(P.S. there was nothing to suggest it was tongue-in-cheek It was just a block of text on an internet forum which could have been literal or tongue-in-cheek. I erred on the side of caution and offered you some advice if it was in fact literal in meaning). 0 -
You do realise that you've ignored the rest of my post (ie the important bit), don't you?
(P.S. there was nothing to suggest it was tongue-in-cheek It was just a block of text on an internet forum which could have been literal or tongue-in-cheek. I erred on the side of caution and offered you some advice if it was in fact literal in meaning).
Sorry, I thought I placed in an appropriate emoticon to show that it was in fact tongue in cheek. It still seems to be there now. Maybe you got the text from someone elses quote?0
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