Forced to terminate study for unpaid work?

clairec79

I thought 12 hours or more of contact time was considered fulltime as you were expected to spend twice that on your personal study outside

Hominu

sangie595 wrote: »

This friend? It wouldn't be another one of the "it's really me but I'm not owning up to it" friends, would it?

Considering I'm already employed, no. I did go through similar about 10 years ago though, read up if you are interested.

Edit: Oops, forgot to throw something in here about migrants. This'll have to do.

sangie595

Hominu wrote: »

Considering I'm already employed, no. I did go through similar about 10 years ago though, read up if you are interested.

Edit: Oops, forgot to throw something in here about migrants. This'll have to do.

You still appear to be ducking the question as to how your friend is claiming JSA when they are a full time student. You have had your whine about the "scroungers" you think claim JSA. What about the fraudsters who claim benefits they aren't entitled to. Any opinions on that?

Hominu

sangie595 wrote: »

You still appear to be ducking the question as to how your friend is claiming JSA when they are a full time student. You have had your whine about the "scroungers" you think claim JSA. What about the fraudsters who claim benefits they aren't entitled to. Any opinions on that?

They were told that since they couldn't find work in the areas that they had experience and knowledge in that they should instead retrain or enhance other areas so that they could apply for jobs in other areas, so they visited and decided on a course at a local college and informed the JSA of this at their next interview/signing, whatever its called now that you have to do every 2 weeks.

About the fraudsters, well I think it depends whether or not I'm friends with them I suppose :whistle:

sangie595

And told them that they were doing a full time course? Because that seems strange given the regulations for JSA are extremely clear about the number of hours for permitted study. How did your friend happen to become the only exception? I'm sure that sharing their strategy would be great for all the other students who'd prefer to claim benefits rather than take out a loan.

Hominu

sangie595 wrote: »

And told them that they were doing a full time course?

No, they were told they would be attending the college each morning and were told that as long as it didn't interfere with any interviews (JSA or job related) that it would be fine as long as they had documented proof at each JSA interview that they were still actively seeking employment.

Bogalot

sangie595 wrote: »

And by the way. The definition of a full time student is someone who studies 12 hours a week or more.

I don't know where you've got that from but it's completely untrue. In respect of benefit claims a full time student is one who is attending a course that is designated by the institution as full time, or that has more than sixteen hours guided learning a week. The criteria that applies will depend on the type of course that is being studied and how the course is funded.

Hence, OP's friend could be classed as a part time student.

(The criteria is different in Scotland also.)

sangie595

Bogalot wrote: »

I don't know where you've got that from but it's completely untrue. In respect of benefit claims a full time student is one who is attending a course that is designated by the institution as full time, or that has more than sixteen hours guided learning a week. The criteria that applies will depend on the type of course that is being studied and how the course is funded.

Hence, OP's friend could be classed as a part time student.

(The criteria is different in Scotland also.)

I may have misread something. But it is irrelevant anyway. OPs friend is doing 20 hours in college. Therefore still not part-time.

Bogalot

sangie595 wrote: »

I may have misread something. But it is irrelevant anyway. OPs friend is doing 20 hours in college. Therefore still not part-time.

Then you're still misreading, twenty hours may be part time if the college classes it to be so, depending on the course being studied.

Also if it is a short course that will assist the claimant in finding work then even a full time course can be permitted. I'm assuming it would not fall under this criteria, but it is a possibility.

nicechap

Hominu wrote: »

No, they were told they would be attending the college each morning and were told that as long as it didn't interfere with any interviews (JSA or job related) that it would be fine as long as they had documented proof at each JSA interview that they were still actively seeking employment.

How much time are they spending commuting to & from the college?
How much time are they spending on non-classroom study?
How much time are they spending on writing essays or compiling portfolio of activity?

How much time are they spending looking for work?