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If Brexit needs house of commons and Lords backing ...
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »India warns the UK's immigration policy could wreck any hopes of a post-Brexit free trade deal...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/06/india-warns-uk-immigration-policy-wreck-post-brexit-trade-deal
Essentially we've had to treat non-EU countries disproportionately harshly because we had to favour EU migrants.
Once we're out we'll hopefully reverse this and treat all countries on an equal footing.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
Essentially we've had to treat non-EU countries disproportionately harshly because we had to favour EU migrants.
'Stuff and nonsense' as a certain politician used to say.
Britain is a vast and almost completely empty country suffering from an ageing crisis because there are too few replacement young people being bred - the only reason we've had to discriminate against non-EU countries is the Tories bizarre fetishisation of net migration numbers.Once we're out we'll hopefully reverse this and treat all countries on an equal footing.
Equally badly doesn't count....;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »'Stuff and nonsense' as a certain politician used to say.
Britain is a vast and almost completely empty country suffering from an ageing crisis because there are too few replacement young people being bred - the only reason we've had to discriminate against non-EU countries is the Tories bizarre fetishisation of net migration numbers.
Equally badly doesn't count....;)
I agree with your position on immigration. For recent UK graduates however it's still far from a rosey picture, and if the government has to control migration somewhere then I don't have a problem with the government bringing in policies to favour them.
As I've said before the problem with the government's policy of bringing down numbers is that we can only control half of it, so it was stupid to have made the promise in the first place. Students are an easy target, of course, but we have a ridiculous situation where unskilled Romanians have the untrammeled right to live and work here, so to redress the balance we have to restrict skilled migrants from elsewhere.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
I agree with your position on immigration. For recent UK graduates however it's still far from a rosey picture, and if the government has to control migration somewhere then I don't have a problem with the government bringing in policies to favour them.
As I've said before the problem with the government's policy of bringing down numbers is that we can only control half of it, so it was stupid to have made the promise in the first place. Students are an easy target, of course, but we have a ridiculous situation where unskilled Romanians have the untrammeled right to live and work here, so to redress the balance we have to restrict skilled migrants from elsewhere.
No, no, no, no and no.
Your fundamental premise is just wrong headed....
We don't have to "redress the balance" in any way - we don't need to "reduce immigration" in any way - we need to increase it quite markedly.
The UK has unemployment below the long term average, wages rising by 2% above inflation last year, and significant labour shortages developing across a whole host of sectors. And that's before we even start talking about the ageing crisis and shortage of young people in general.
Quite obviously the UK economy is absorbing all the people it can get and then some.... That's not a basis for cutting migration.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »No, no, no, no and no.
Your fundamental premise is just wrong headed....
We don't have to "redress the balance" in any way - we don't need to "reduce immigration" in any way - we need to increase it quite markedly.
The UK has unemployment below the long term average, wages rising by 2% above inflation last year, and significant labour shortages developing across a whole host of sectors. And that's before we even start talking about the ageing crisis and shortage of young people in general.
Quite obviously the UK economy is absorbing all the people it can get and then some.... That's not a basis for cutting migration.
I don't dispute the above, but we can't have uncontrolled immigration, we can't let it spiral because we can't plan for and build the infrastructure to keep up with ever rising demand. When we're adding a small city's worth of people to the population every year there has to be some way of putting the brakes on.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
I don't dispute the above, but we can't have uncontrolled immigration, we can't let it spiral because we can't plan for and build the infrastructure to keep up with ever rising demand. When we're adding a small city's worth of people to the population every year there has to be some way of putting the brakes on.
Absolutely not....
You don't cure a broken leg by breaking the other leg to 'balance things up'.
A shortage of infrastructure can be addressed by simply building more infrastructure to meet our needs - we cannot be uniquely incompetent amongst our developed world peers of doing so - therefore it is neither advisable nor rational to restrict badly needed immigration on the basis of claiming we're just too incompetent to build some houses and roads.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
People supposedly concerned with the sovereignty of Parliament, happily gave it away to Brussels, and indeed their desire is to remain in this position.
Donning a horse hair wig does not switch of ones remainer zeal. 1000 Lawyers wrote to Govt after the vote urging a re-think.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
A shortage of infrastructure can be addressed by simply building more infrastructure .
Shiny new schools, hospitals and homes most definitely increases the attractiveness of Britain and acts as a magnetic pull.
Your old fashioned view is a council of despair. This nation was perfectly good when we had immigration in the tens of thousands. People were behind immigration when it was more orderly.
You care not for wildlife, congestion, pressure to produce ever higher crop yields and more factory farmed animals.
All you care about is money0 -
This nation was perfectly good when we had immigration in the tens of thousands.
No it really wasn't.
As we were building up a disastrous ageing crisis because were were collectively too selfish to breed enough replacement young people.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
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