UK government suffers Brexit court blow

benjus

I can sort of understand some people seeing this as an attempt to block Brexit and being angry about it.

However, I don't see how any sane person can think that it's a good thing to have the country's destiny decided by an unelected Prime Minister (who only won the leadership election by default) and a small number of second-rate ministers (failed Tory leaders and failed Tory leadership contestants) that she appointed.

We all have an MP that we voted for through the British democratic tradition that goes back way before the EU existed. He or she has a duty to represent our views, needs and concerns before parliament, even if they differ from the MP's own position. This is how the country has been governed for centuries.

This isn't anti-democratic, it's how the British democracy works. The way the right-wing gutter press has reported this is disgraceful.

CLAPTON

benjus wrote: »

We all have an MP that we voted for through the British democratic tradition that goes back way before the EU existed. He or she has a duty to represent our views, needs and concerns before parliament, even if they differ from the MP's own position. This is how the country has been governed for centuries.

do you feel the MPs have been truely reflecting their electors' views on the matter of the EU over the last 30 years?


your aren't a remainer are you?

setmefree2

benjus wrote: »

However, I don't see how any sane person can think that it's a good thing to have the country's destiny decided by an unelected Prime Minister (who only won the leadership election by default) and a small number of second-rate ministers (failed Tory leaders and failed Tory leadership contestants) that she appointed.

But you're OK with an unelected leader of the opposition and his second rate shadow cabinet thwarting the will of the people? Does that make you insane?

This isn't anti-democratic, it's how the British democracy works. The way the right-wing gutter press has reported this is disgraceful.

Or the press are standing up for the people because we all know how democracy should work.....and yet the establishment will win again...

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Masomnia wrote: »

Definitely a possible outcome.

The people voted to leave the EU. We will leave the EU.

The people did not however vote for any particular flavour of leaving the EU - nor any version of what a post-EU membership looks like.

So everything is now on the table for Parliament to decide.

If we do try to rejoin it will be on far worse terms than we have now so if it did come to that it will be an interesting debate!

Indeed it will.

StevieJ

setmefree2 wrote: »

But you're OK with an unelected leader of the opposition and his second rate shadow cabinet thwarting the will of the people? Does that make you insane?

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How are they doing that?

All I know is that this country feels like a far darker place since the Brexit vote, the unpleasant underbelly is showing itself to the world

The Daily Mail was forced to hastily amend a vile headline today which attacked the judges behind the High Court ruling on Brexit, one merely for being gay.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you feel the MPs have been truely reflecting their electors' views on the matter of the EU over the last 30 years?


your aren't a remainer are you?

They certainly haven't on hanging and flogging

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

How are they doing that?

All I know is that this country feels like a far darker place since the Brexit vote, the unpleasant underbelly is showing itself to the world

most left leaning authoritarian people think that democracy is divisive and therefore should be curtailed for the good of the people.

I to fear the underbelly : 3 white, middle class, middle age judges deciding political issue, nurses wishing harm to children, MPs openly saying they will ignore the referendum results .............

fortunately the UK is one of the most open and tolerant countries in the world.

Moto2

CLAPTON wrote: »

3 white, middle class, middle age judges deciding political issue,

No they didn't, they ruled on what the law says.

Elected politicians can change the law if they so wish or they could have framed the referendum so that actions after the vote were clear and unambiguous

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

I to fear the underbelly : 3 white, middle class, middle age judges .

I thought we wanted British judges dealing with British issues? I am so confused

CLAPTON

Moto2 wrote: »

No they didn't, they ruled on what the law says.

Elected politicians can change the law if they so wish or they could have framed the referendum so that actions after the vote were clear and unambiguous

No one believes that judges work in a vacuum. The addressed an issue put before them and not the total picture.
They, for example did NOT address the issue of whether article 50 is revocable.
The did NOT consider the question of the MPs voting 6 to 1 to authorise a referendum and the consequences there of.

I do not believe there any MPs who declared that the referendum was advisory and they would only support the 'right ' result.

Judge made law has become an increasing undemocratic aspect of our system partly due to the ridiculous Human Rights nonsense which transfers huge power to judges.