Has anyone changed their mind about Brexit?

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

You're using sarcasm to imply I'm suggesting something which I haven't. This says more about you than me i.e. you don't like the message and you despise the messenger.

If a former PM wants to stick his oar in what's the problem?

Unless our hubris means we're missing some real big picture stuff as we contemplate our navels Brexit is the issue of our generation. Let's not leave any stone unturned.

Just to clear up your confusion. For the record, I have absolutely zero issue with Tony Blair getting involved. None at all.

I do have an issue on the second point though. The idea that because the opposition are useless, that we have to bypass that long standing and established parliamentary process. The solution to this should actually be that opposition MPs pull their own fingers out instead of squabbling like little kids.

Perhaps Tony should look to become an MP if he really wants to be involved in the decision making process?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

There are perhaps a select few "national treasures" who if asked for their opinion might possibly convince a handful of Leave voters to rethink; the likes of David Attenborough maybe.

But Tony Blair, graciously returning from the lucrative badlands of political exile, like King Arthur when his country needs him most, lecturing the public on the error of their ways? Laughable.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

Just to clear up your confusion. For the record, I have absolutely zero issue with Tony Blair getting involved. None at all.

I do have an issue on the second point though. The idea that because the opposition are useless, that we have to bypass that long standing and established parliamentary process. The solution to this should actually be that opposition MPs pull their own fingers out instead of squabbling like little kids.

Perhaps Tony should look to become an MP if he really wants to be involved in the decision making process?

You're completely misrepresenting what I've said. Who said anything about bypassing the established parliamentary process?

There's a difference between being involved in the decision making process and trying to influence that decision making process by stating your opinion. As far as I'm aware you don't need to be an MP to have an opinion and state it.

Tony Blair is doing what we do on here albeit on a somewhat grander scale.

wotsthat

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

But Tony Blair, graciously returning from the lucrative badlands of political exile, like King Arthur when his country needs him most, lecturing the public on the error of their ways? Laughable.

Stranger things have happened.

Who would've thought Gordon Brown's intervention in the Scottish referendum would turn out to be be key to the result?

mayonnaise

Mr.Plinky wrote: »

I still wonder if there are many that voted leave (lower incomes) are going to be able to afford it

No they won't.
Not my problem though.
They were warned.

vivatifosi

I think Tony Blair is a bit like Marxism. A useful lens to reflect on a situation and to raise some questions that wouldn't otherwise get raised, but I wouldn't want to live under him again, or it.

He did raise some salient points though.

michaels

wotsthat wrote: »

You're completely misrepresenting what I've said. Who said anything about bypassing the established parliamentary process?

There's a difference between being involved in the decision making process and trying to influence that decision making process by stating your opinion. As far as I'm aware you don't need to be an MP to have an opinion and state it.

Tony Blair is doing what we do on here albeit on a somewhat grander scale.

I also have an opinion but it isn't lead story on the BBC news. :mad:

wotsthat

michaels wrote: »

I also have an opinion but it isn't lead story on the BBC news. :mad:

Danny Dyer taking a short break from Eastenders also appears to be more important to the BBC newshounds than your opinion.

Don't take it to heart.

Cakeguts

Mr.Plinky wrote: »

I still have concerns over what people have actually voted for and on what basis.
I still wonder if there are many that voted leave (lower incomes) are going to be able to afford it and those that see themselves benefiting (pensioners) are not going to want to pay for it.
Having said that I'm gearing up and fortunately in the camp where I am comfortable either way and happy to adjust, I see myself as fortunate.
Being a UK national since birth and married to a non UK citizen from Europe, parents retired on both sides it's interesting to see and hear about the under current of the outcome from both sides of friends and family.
Our main concern (finances aside) at the moment, is the freedom and cost to travel between UK and Eurozone...ie passports, will visa be required at a cost? Who knows what levies will be introduced.
Im hoping that Brexit is going to be as positive as everyone hopes and I can see various pros and cons on either side.
I do wonder if we are going to be so financially linked with the states, we will be pulled further away by a mainland across the Atlantic with a large self-interest rather than a neighbor across the channel.
Financially I would anticipate better rates for investments (so pensions and savings), a demise of the current interest rates for borrowers, more expense for day to day costs as everything is based on the dollar ie food, fuel and imports. More expense on homegrown and produced products and services as salaries will increase due to reduction of cheap labour (which is good for the new wave of workers). However I do see that if the cost of living increasing that those out of work will require more funds from the benefit system and in turn increases in taxes across the board.
Just my a couple of my thoughts. But I am no financial analyst, politician, axe grinder or fortune teller.

Lower incomes where? It makes a difference. London and the South East relies on foreign money. The rest of the country doesn't. Incomes in London and the South East are inflated due to the foreign money so the only incomes that are going to lose out are those that are based on foreign money in London and the South East. I don't see why the rest of the country has to suffer being members of the EU so that salaries in London are protected.

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

You're completely misrepresenting what I've said. Who said anything about bypassing the established parliamentary process?

There's a difference between being involved in the decision making process and trying to influence that decision making process by stating your opinion. As far as I'm aware you don't need to be an MP to have an opinion and state it.

Tony Blair is doing what we do on here albeit on a somewhat grander scale.

As I have said about four times now. I have no problem with Tony getting involved.

I think he will have a big influence on people's opinions.