Angry re ESA

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nannytone wrote: »

worjing for 'less than benefit' would mean that after housing costs, someone would be left with under £73 a week ( thats presuming you can rent for the LHA rate, which everyone knows is near on impossible)
then you have to pay fares ...



i don't see how anyone could do this without additional help from somewhere.
maybe sdw could tell is how its do able

i would fully support anyone to work a few hours as long as they were not worse off , but a singleton, with rent to pay on JSA is already cutting out everything but the most basic essentials

Right. My son didn't have to pay rent as he lived in my house (I lived in Spain at the time, and didn't charge him rent whilst he was unemployed; however, had he have had to pay rent, it would have been covered by LHA, so irrelevant really).

He shared this house with two other people. They were jointly and severally liable for the Council tax.His share was covered by Council Tax Benefit. He paid his share of the bills, and managed the rest of his expenses with what he had left(not much, so had to do some creative budgeting).

I helped him, at his request, to work out a budget and as long as he stuck to this, it worked.

He went to work on his bicycle, so no fares.

This state of affairs was only for a few months, then he was given more hours.

He now has a job for a different company, 25 hours per week at living wage, sometimes he has overtime, and he is living with his partner and paying a small mortgage on a flat.

missbiggles1

dekaspace wrote: »

And you are the type of person that blames the poor for not working hard enough.

Or not working at all.;)

missbiggles1

dekaspace wrote: »

Oh poor you, being without food for one day, everything you have talked about happening to you has happened to me, and shall I add living in a house with heavy damp, having full heating on one day a year, one pair of school clothes a year that was too small and had to be sewn up often, no carpet in house until my dad was lucky enough to walk past a office getting refurbished and asked for the scraps from skip, I have been so poor I sat with a SINGLE candle for light, the ones you use for oil burners, living off pasta and slices of bread for days or more whilst having no heating on and just a radio for entertainment.

You have a limited mind and were in fact one of the lucky ones instead of what you think of yourself as just hard working.

You then talk about doing 60 hour weeks, well im sure in this world of zero hour contracts and minimum wage people have the same opportunities you had.

Mind telling me how you could afford to get qualifications if you were as poor as you claim?

And since you claimed to be poor at one point, then why didn't you get a job? Since thats what you are implying all that is needed to not be poor.

Even nowadays you can study for good qualifications without paying up front - unfortunately people don't get the qualifications if they drop out of the course and they can't expect to get a job afterwards if you do Media Studies.

Lanzarote1938

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Even nowadays you can study for good qualifications without paying up front - unfortunately people don't get the qualifications if they drop out of the course and they can't expect to get a job afterwards if you do Media Studies.

Unfortunately it appears that many young people do 'soft' subjects at University because that is what interests them. They need to keep their interests as hobbies and use university to equip them to earn a living.

System

Short story time

I was the last year before tuition fees went up, got told by parents go now or never go to uni. Undiagnosed bipolar, miserable at home. Uni is the one chance to escape. 17. No idea what to study. TBH average at everything. Ended up piking a media course. Solely because i was on course to get an A at A level, rest of my subjects were D's. Go to uni. Its crap. Mental health suffers. Barely graduate but do somehow. Have mental breakdown, spend 3 1/2 years on esa. Finally get a part time job. You know what it ain't great, (its retail but above min wage), but sod you all. I have a job. No i didn;t go to uni to work where i di but considering i wads in the support group and i honestly thought i'd never work again. I refused to feel bad about it. !!!!!! was i supposed to do at 17? I didn;t know what i wanted to do, i had one shot at uni and yes i screwed up, i was mentally ill, i did what i thought was best. So maybe don;t knock those of us who tried to do ok in the only thing we thought we were good at. Not everyone knows what they want to d, not everyone gets a chance and sometimes disability comes and !!!!s it all up for you

nannytone_2

w06 wrote: »

Plenty of folk do, as a PhD student, ie working 50 plus hour weeks towards the next step in a career, after rent most of us have approximately that amount and get by for 4 years at that level. We have no recourse to other benefits, apart from eg PIP if disabled, because we're considered students despite being independent adults with all the responsibilities of such

edit to add, not complaining just pointing out there is a large cohort of folk having to get by on less than they'd receive on benefits in the furtherance of their careers

a PhD pays a stipend and not a wage so you aren't in paid work anyway

Pyxis

I apologise for hi-jacking the thread, but really want to contact the poster below, and her message box is full. :A

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

Short story time

I was the last year before tuition fees went up, got told by parents go now or never go to uni. Undiagnosed bipolar, miserable at home. Uni is the one chance to escape. 17. No idea what to study. TBH average at everything. Ended up piking a media course. Solely because i was on course to get an A at A level, rest of my subjects were D's. Go to uni. Its crap. Mental health suffers. Barely graduate but do somehow. Have mental breakdown, spend 3 1/2 years on esa. Finally get a part time job. You know what it ain't great, (its retail but above min wage), but sod you all. I have a job. No i didn;t go to uni to work where i di but considering i wads in the support group and i honestly thought i'd never work again. I refused to feel bad about it. !!!!!! was i supposed to do at 17? I didn;t know what i wanted to do, i had one shot at uni and yes i screwed up, i was mentally ill, i did what i thought was best. So maybe don;t knock those of us who tried to do ok in the only thing we thought we were good at. Not everyone knows what they want to d, not everyone gets a chance and sometimes disability comes and !!!!s it all up for you

MessedUp, we miss you! Please drop in and tell us how you are?
:A

(((((((Hugs)))))))

dekaspace

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Even nowadays you can study for good qualifications without paying up front - unfortunately people don't get the qualifications if they drop out of the course and they can't expect to get a job afterwards if you do Media Studies.

As usual you love to have your little jabs at other people such as myself, I worked on and off for years before I started university (Aged 25 for your information) At that point I already had done work in radio stations and newspaper, and worked as a runner, hey at one point I turned down work in Germany as I had no passport, and had too short notice to be a assistant interviewing a world famous band at the time (expenses paid)

Not bad for someone with only a basic ND in Media at the time, but university was only 2 years after a family member was murdered, and when local work was drying up and foreign labour was arriving.

By the time I began to recover media had changed to vlogging and youtube personalities, when I reapplied for course at same level as I already had a qualification I was rejected as I didn't have experience of current media.

Nice of you to have the usual hate for the disabled, love to see you walk in these shoes for a while and see how you cope.

Bogalot wrote: »

500,000 apprenticeships started in 2015. Hardly non existent.

Because apprenticeships are well known for how generous they are with wages right?

And they are available even out in the sticks right?

Reminds me of the people who said there was a lot of work available in my home town, there was over 2000 people unemployed, ZERO full time jobs, all of FOUR part time jobs, and about a dozen zero hour jobs and a few dozen self employed ones where you needed a car, buy products yourself and sell them for comission.

dadtobe

dekaspace wrote: »

And you are the type of person that blames the poor for not working hard enough.

This comment has really wound me up, I grew up on a council estate and lived in a single room with my mum until I was 11 we had no money whatsoever but I worked my !!! off at school to get good GCSES's Straight A Levels and I spent 5 years at university to get a career along with struggling with dyslexia.

There is always going to jobs in care and nursing but its too much like hard work though.

We have a FREE high standard of education in this country, and plenty of people choose to throw it all away. There is no reason why someone can't finish school with good qualifications.

There was a recent study done, and in social groups the bottom 20% accounted for 78% of social spending i.e JSA ESA PIP HB Prescriptions NHS Etc.

dktreesea

sangie595 wrote: »

Sorry, but in the case you suggest it really is that simple! Why is it ok for someone else to work long hours, never see their kids, etc., to pay for someone else to sit around refusing to work on the same terms? Nobody has a right to expect others to fund their lifestyle choices, even if they are hand to mouth. If you want a better job, then there are the same options open to everyone. Work for it.

That's simply not true. You can have people with good degrees, worked hard all the way through school and uni, did their 3 years in a hospital (e.g. a doctor) slaving away as a junior doctor at the end of it, and they still can't then get a permanent NHS job.


We constantly hear about the need for scientists. If it's true why are there scientists with PhDs out of work?


I had the working life you describe, long hours, never seeing my kids etc. Looking back, I just did that because hey, it was what everyone else was doing. But a sensible choice in hindsight? I don't think so.


I agree with you that no one has the right to expect others to fund their lifestyle choices. I'm just not convinced that those appearing to make that choice have a lot of choice.