Angry re ESA

TELLIT01

This is getting more and more like the Monty Python sketch! "We had to get up before we went to bed...."

Lanzarote1938

dekaspace wrote: »

Mind telling me how you could afford to get qualifications if you were as poor as you claim?

And since you claimed to be poor at one point, then why didn't you get a job? Since thats what you are implying all that is needed to not be poor.

Training that paid as you learned? A 3 year nursing course as it happened.
I did have a job but a very poorly paid one that I could take the children with me.
There will always be work for those with the required knowledge and skills.

nannytone_2

missbiggles1 wrote: »

At the moment, under 25s can claim HB which could be quite substantial in the SE.

worjing for 'less than benefit' would mean that after housing costs, someone would be left with under £73 a week ( thats presuming you can rent for the LHA rate, which everyone knows is near on impossible)
then you have to pay fares ...



i don't see how anyone could do this without additional help from somewhere.
maybe sdw could tell is how its do able

i would fully support anyone to work a few hours as long as they were not worse off , but a singleton, with rent to pay on JSA is already cutting out everything but the most basic essentials

dekaspace

Lanzarote1938 wrote: »

Training that paid as you learned? A 3 year nursing course as it happened.
I did have a job but a very poorly paid one that I could take the children with me.
There will always be work for those with the required knowledge and skills.

You do realise that things that are so rare they almost don't exist anymore.

I only once 14 years ago saw a company offering that, and that same company for past 10 years or so is almost all foreign labour and minimum wage.

So you are using outdated views of the workplace.

Im not even sure about nursing now as England and Scotland were always different, in Scotland 12 years ago they expected you to do full time shift work on top of education, though you got accomodation and a (very low) wage, In England I know people who struggle as student nurses.

Lanzarote1938

dekaspace wrote: »

Im not even sure about nursing now as England and Scotland were always different, in Scotland 12 years ago they expected you to do full time shift work on top of education, though you got accomodation and a (very low) wage, In England I know people who struggle as student nurses.

This is what I did, it was England but the same.

Bogalot

dekaspace wrote: »

You do realise that things that are so rare they almost don't exist anymore.

I only once 14 years ago saw a company offering that, and that same company for past 10 years or so is almost all foreign labour and minimum wage.

So you are using outdated views of the workplace.

Im not even sure about nursing now as England and Scotland were always different, in Scotland 12 years ago they expected you to do full time shift work on top of education, though you got accomodation and a (very low) wage, In England I know people who struggle as student nurses.

500,000 apprenticeships started in 2015. Hardly non existent.

Lanzarote1938

Bogalot wrote: »

500,000 apprenticeships started in 2015. Hardly non existent.

Depends on how much someone wants to learn a skill. It's the old 'teach a man to fish' thing.

nannytone_2

Bogalot wrote: »

500,000 apprenticeships started in 2015. Hardly non existent.

have you looked into what these apprenticeships are?

mainly low skill/low pay roles such as retail.
shops like next offer apprenticeships and it isn't a managerial apprenticeship, but a working on the shop floor one.

it lets them pay peanuts and charge the apprentices for their 'unoform' ( they have to wear next clothes)


at the end of the training they are replaced with another apprentice

its a glorified YTS scheme

Tommo1980

I was in Next today. I wondered why the place was full of little lambs all dressed in Next clothes, awkwardly trying to offer their assistance.

Tom

w06

nannytone wrote: »

worjing for 'less than benefit' would mean that after housing costs, someone would be left with under £73 a week ( thats presuming you can rent for the LHA rate, which everyone knows is near on impossible)
then you have to pay fares ...

i don't see how anyone could do this without additional help from somewhere.
maybe sdw could tell is how its do able

Plenty of folk do, as a PhD student, ie working 50 plus hour weeks towards the next step in a career, after rent most of us have approximately that amount and get by for 4 years at that level. We have no recourse to other benefits, apart from eg PIP if disabled, because we're considered students despite being independent adults with all the responsibilities of such

edit to add, not complaining just pointing out there is a large cohort of folk having to get by on less than they'd receive on benefits in the furtherance of their careers