The value of the British Pound

takman

Bloomberg wrote: »

So should we be in or out of the EU?

Before the vote I chose to stay in the EU because I decided that the risk to the economy and the value of the pound was too great considering that we had just gotten out of a recession.

Now that the majority voted to leave the EU and the financial damage has been done it means that to stay in the EU would be far more risky for the countries future. So now the best course of action is to leave the EU in a planned and controlled way.

But even if net migration to the UK was zero house building should still be increased to meet the demands of future generations. Increased house building will also help control the price of houses and possibly even reduce them so more people an become home owners in 10 - 20 years time.

takman

joncombe wrote: »

It may be true only 4% is developed, I haven't checked. But a lot of land that is not developed is not suitable for development, for example prone to flooding, upland which is too steep to build on (or too boggy, prone to erosion, under snow for half the year etc).

The issue is that many people assume that undeveloped land is unused, it isn't. Britain is already a net importer of food. Most of the undeveloped land is used for food production (either growing of crops or grazing of animals) or is unsuitable for such uses. Developing this land means we have a larger population to feed and less land on which to produce food. Look at aerial photos of most of England for instance and you will see fields. Not large areas of wilderness.

That's a good point about farmland and is very true. But don't forget that alot of land is also greenbelt and moorland which is perfectly suitable for house building but it's either impossible or difficult to get planing permission. So this land will never be eaten up by developers no matter how much we build.

Another option which people are against is high rise buildings. If you build a block of flats you can get an extremely large amount of people into a relatively small area of land. They may not be the most popular forms of housing but a few new blocks of council flats in each major city would solve a hell of a lot of the housing problem in this country.

Bloomberg

takman wrote: »

Before the vote I chose to stay in the EU because I decided that the risk to the economy and the value of the pound was too great considering that we had just gotten out of a recession.

Now that the majority voted to leave the EU and the financial damage has been done it means that to stay in the EU would be far more risky for the countries future. So now the best course of action is to leave the EU in a planned and controlled way.

But even if net migration to the UK was zero house building should still be increased to meet the demands of future generations. Increased house building will also help control the price of houses and possibly even reduce them so more people an become home owners in 10 - 20 years time.

You said 🗣I'm not saying immigration shouldn't be controlled but I just think that while it is at such a high rate then it should be used to justify a massive increase in house building and infrastructure.


You then said that you chose to stay in the EU. Being in the EU means that we cannot control immigration. Giving half a billion people access to a tiny island like Britain is uncontrolled immigration in anyone's language my dear sir.

Thrugelmir

takman wrote: »

Before the vote I chose to stay in the EU because I decided that the risk to the economy and the value of the pound was too great considering that we had just gotten out of a recession.

A recession that people hardly noticed. Sounds as if you've never experienced difficult times. Another recession was always likely given the state of the UK's finances and levels of consumer indebtedness.

datlex

I personally voted to remain. I think the vote to leave was a disaster particularly as there was a lack from the leave side or the government at that time of a strategy for leaving. There any several different scenarios we can aim for with leaving. Will the majority of leave voters actually get what they voted for in the way they envisaged it? There is also an irony that we have many migrants from outside of the EU who were allowed to vote when a factor for many was immigration. It seems folk are oblivious to EU legislation which has benefited them.

Regarding the pound at this time. One minor point we are still in the EU. Currency fluctuations are due to reaction to the vote not reaction to Brexs*it. Since we don't know what the form will take we cannot speculate on how the currency markets will react. Personally I am being as careful as I can with my money at present I certainly would not consider taking out a loan or mortgage at this time as I believe the economy is on the brink of disaster if the departure goes the wrong way.

takman

Bloomberg wrote: »

You said 🗣I'm not saying immigration shouldn't be controlled but I just think that while it is at such a high rate then it should be used to justify a massive increase in house building and infrastructure.


You then said that you chose to stay in the EU. Being in the EU means that we cannot control immigration. Giving half a billion people access to a tiny island like Britain is uncontrolled immigration in anyone's language my dear sir.

Immigration was just a small part of my decision on voting time remain. I made sure that I considered all the different aspects of being in or out of the EU when I made my decision. There were pros and cons of either decision and neither were perfect so that's why the results were so close. To base your vote on just one aspect of being in the EU would have been very careless.

takman

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A recession that people hardly noticed. Sounds as if you've never experienced difficult times. Another recession was always likely given the state of the UK's finances and levels of consumer indebtedness.

I determined that the benefits of leaving the EU were not enough to justify the economy reprocussions. Apart from controlling immigration I really can't see what the benefits of leaving the EU are. So considering immigration doesn't have much effect on me then I really didn't have much incentive to vote to leave.

Bloomberg

takman wrote: »

I determined that the benefits of leaving the EU were not enough to justify the economy reprocussions. Apart from controlling immigration I really can't see what the benefits of leaving the EU are. So considering immigration doesn't have much effect on me then I really didn't have much incentive to vote to leave.

I'm alright Jack. Stop thinking about yourself only. I actually have benefitted from migrant workers as my business employs some. However I've not forgetten where I came from. What about the working man who has had his wages driven down?. What about the people in their thirties and forties living with their parents because of sky high rental and purchases prices ? You say that immigration doesn't affect you - wrong. The current situation is breeding an undercurrent of resentment. Society is being affected. Some people cannot get non emergency doctors appointments for a fortnight or more.


Local councils have to spend a lot of money on translators, schools need extra resources to cope with the influx of children who can barely speak English. That's just the tip of the iceberg.


Moreover Europe is the sick man of the world. So many countries in the EU are up the creek. Out of Europe into the world.

takman

Bloomberg wrote: »

I'm alright Jack. Stop thinking about yourself only. I actually have benefitted from migrant workers as my business employs some. However I've not forgetten where I came from. What about the working man who has had his wages driven down?. What about the people in their thirties and forties living with their parents because of sky high rental and purchases prices ? You say that immigration doesn't affect you - wrong. The current situation is breeding an undercurrent of resentment. Society is being affected. Some people cannot get non emergency doctors appointments for a fortnight or more.


Local councils have to spend a lot of money on translators, schools need extra resources to cope with the influx of children who can barely speak English. That's just the tip of the iceberg.


Moreover Europe is the sick man of the world. So many countries in the EU are up the creek. Out of Europe into the world.

I personally haven't seen many of the problems immigration has caused because I don't live in a city or anywhere near one, so naturally it's not going to have as much as an impact on my decision making. The last person I spoke too who was complaining about getting a non emergency doctors appointment said that it took him 30 minutes to get through and he got the appointment at 5PM that day.

But if I lived in an area that it was a big problem then I would proberly have a different opinion.

The housing problem is simply not due to immigration alone. I hope everyone doesn't think that it will be resolved when we leave the EU, because more houses need to be built rapidly as I stated above.

Bloomberg

takman wrote: »

I personally haven't seen many of the problems immigration has caused because I don't live in a city or anywhere near one, so naturally it's not going to have as much as an impact on my decision making. The last person I spoke too who was complaining about getting a non emergency doctors appointment said that it took him 30 minutes to get through and he got the appointment at 5PM that day.

But if I lived in an area that it was a big problem then I would proberly have a different opinion.

The housing problem is simply not due to immigration alone. I hope everyone doesn't think that it will be resolved when we leave the EU, because more houses need to be built rapidly as I stated above.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that Brexit will solve the housing shortage. Mass immigration has without doubt exacerbated the problem. Although Brexit was driven by immigration their are lots of other contributory factors. We should also not forget that Europe needs us too. The Germans will still want to see their cars here, Poland receives £3m a day from migrant workers. We should be able to negotiate a deal of sorts.