Pound going through the floor.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you really couldn't figure out that the Leave campaign had been taken over by racists then you really weren't paying attention.

An out referendum was the only policy of UKIP, a political party for racists, for a start.

Well it's a shame you didn't realise you were voting for febrile xenophobic beastliness when you cast your ballot because that's what you've got. Along with the rest of us who wanted nothing to do with it. Sadly.

I couldn't care less about the campaigns.

It was a personal choice, I wasn't influenced by racism for or against leaving the EU.

Many were, that's their problem. If we assume that the majority of leave voters are racist or xenophobic, I wouldn't change my vote. That doesn't make me a racist, xenophobe or sympathetic to either of those points of view.

You're trying to label 17m people as being one or a combination of the following:

- anti-immigration
- racist
- xenophobic
- un-educated
- boomer
- isolationist

probably more options, there will be plenty of people who voted to leave who don't fit into any of the categories you're trying to attribute to them.

Lets turn this around. When you voted for Jeremy Corbyn did you also as part of your vote decide that you were sympathetic to the people throwing bricks through windows and bullying members of the PLP to the point where they shut themselves away from the world? Or did you vote for Jeremy Corbyn based purely on your own beliefs?

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

When Tricky gets fined for not having a foreign wife license it might sink in.

I'd thought you were better than posing something that isn't proposed or more likely will never happen as a reason I should doubt my own personal choice.

Where's all the pragmatism gone? It seems people now want to polarise you, if you voted brexit or if you voted remain.

That's not reality.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I couldn't care less about the campaigns.

It was a personal choice, I wasn't influenced by racism for or against leaving the EU.

Many were, that's their problem. If we assume that the majority of leave voters are racist or xenophobic, I wouldn't change my vote. That doesn't make me a racist, xenophobe or sympathetic to either of those points of view.

You're trying to label 17m people as being one or a combination of the following:

- anti-immigration
- racist
- xenophobic
- un-educated
- boomer
- isolationist

probably more options, there will be plenty of people who voted to leave who don't fit into any of the categories you're trying to attribute to them.

Lets turn this around. When you voted for Jeremy Corbyn did you also as part of your vote decide that you were sympathetic to the people throwing bricks through windows and bullying members of the PLP to the point where they shut themselves away from the world? Or did you vote for Jeremy Corbyn based purely on your own beliefs?

That doesn't really bear much comparison because you are using voting for a politician who is anti racism, pro freedom of movement to justify voting for a movement for which these qualities are anathema.

Don't forget to apply for that foreign wife license in good time, apparently there will be quite a rush.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Maybe they didn't realise that the companies that employ them were going to have to be named and shamed, for doing so, or that they were to become 'bargaining cards' for Brexit negotiations with no right to remain.

Personally I know plenty of people from the EU and none of them wanted this. I guess we just move in different circles.

By the way, interesting thing on social media. Someone posted phrases from May's speech at the Confrerence and asked Tory voters to defend them, which they did with alacrity. The poster them revealed that the quotes were actually from Mein Kampf.

You're talking about the LBC radio segment regarding Amber Rudd's speech? That's the only version of that crap I've seen.

It's not far removed from "British jobs for British workers", I'm sure you recall who said that. I don't consider either to be based on Mein Kampf.

I don't agree with the 'naming and shaming' of companies that employ foreign workers, but I think gathering that data would be useful to help migrants who are being exploited or bullied by their employers.

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That's not what I suggested. It's your spin on what I stated.

I asked for REASONS as to why Brexit is to blame for the drops we have seen in the last month.
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Not the past month but the past few days since 'Remainer' PM :)intereprets Brexit vote as Immigration vote and firms up 'hard brexit' before March next year.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

That doesn't really bear much comparison because you are using voting for a politician who is anti racism, pro freedom of movement to justify voting for a movement for which these qualities are anathema.

Don't forget to apply for that foreign wife license in good time, apparently there will be quite a rush.

Of course it bears comparison.

You're drawing conclusions on me and probably many other leave voters based on what your views of leave voters are.

By your logic I can therefore draw conclusions on you and other Jeremy Corbyn voters by voting for a man who is supported by Momentum who go around smashing up democratically elected representatives offices, bullying democratically elected representatives online and promoting anti-jewish sentiment.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'd thought you were better than posing something that isn't proposed or more likely will never happen as a reason I should doubt my own personal choice.

I doubt you thought anyone would propose a dog licensing scheme for foreign workers intended to shame businesses into ignoring equal rights law either.

StevieJ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No one has to give the government permission to do that, that mandate was given in the 2015 general election because we live in a parliamentary democracy.

The answer to the referendum question was given, and it's now up to the government in parliament to decide what leaving the EU should look like. They've clearly decided that FOM is a red line. There's no mandate for that required.

This is what confuses me, I am pretty sure the majority in parliament would favour an EFTA type deal. It seems that Theresa May and her 'right wing' side kicks have other ideas. So much for returning sovereignty to parliament.

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

I doubt you thought anyone would propose a dog licensing scheme for foreign workers intended to shame businesses into ignoring equal rights law either.

Of course, the flip side is that if you wanted to introduce a skills based work permit scheme then you would need to know what skills businesses required and what shortages we had of those skills.

Not only would that help to identify the roles and numbers that needed to be allowable through your immigration strategy, but you could target training towards those areas. That is much more efficient than generically funding training in all sorts of areas that in many cases result in the trainee finding out that there are no jobs or demand for their new skills.

I would like the state to spend its money wisely, not just chuck it up in the air and hope some of it fell in the right place.

StevieJ

mrginge wrote: »

Of course, the flip side is that if you wanted to introduce a skills based work permit scheme then you would need to know what skills businesses required and what shortages we had of those skills.
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British Prime Minister Theresa May rejected a “points-based” system to screen immigrants, setting up a potential conflict with Brexit campaigners in her government who promised to bring in Australian-style controls over EU migrants.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/09/05/first-brexit-spat-theresa-may-says-no-points-based-immigration-system/#7dab96611645