Pound going through the floor.

GustyGardenGalaxy

I wonder what it will take for the Brexit voters to realise that they made a HUGE mistake?

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

You pass yourself off as a smart guy, so I'm pretty sure you know what I'm on about but as usual you can't have a sensible discussion here without people being intentionally disingenuous.

I don't agree that it grouped people in a flawed manner.

You were asked the question and you voted according to how you felt about it rather than who you would be grouped with (at least I hope you did).

I don't vote Labour, Conservative, or any other based on who I hate or don't hate, I vote based on the policies.

I voted in the referendum based on what I believed to be the best option for the UK in the future.

It's now up to the government to carry out the wishes of the majority and to do that in whatever way they see fit, since there are no plans to date to ask the electorate how they want that to happen.

Therefore my preference for tariff free single market access has no impact on anything whatsoever.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

The people I speak to in real life who voted leave say it wasn't because of immigration but rather being governed by Brussels. While I find their reasoning flawed, it is clear that halting FOM wasn't top of the agenda for many leave voters. On this forum, you'd be hard pressed to find those sort, I admit, it does seem to attract people like you.

But we do have TrickyTree, who voted leave and says he is happy with maintaining the four freedoms. Although he never speaks out against the anti-immigration rhetoric, so even there I'm suspect that he is being duplicitous.

You seem to believe you speak for everyone.

Well that's very interesting.
'People like me' eh. Nice. What do you mean by that?

Your post does beg the question - is this the most hypocritical comment ever raised on any forum by anyone in the world ever?

mrginge

chucknorris wrote: »

I thought that mwpt voted remain.

Yes but they have now accepted the result in full and accept we have to leave, but only by keeping everything else exactly the same.

I suspect mwpt may be Tim Farron.

mrginge

stator wrote: »

Plenty of people voted Leave on grounds other than immigration.

Plenty of people voted remain despite their concerns about immigration.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Well that's very interesting.
'People like me' eh. Nice. What do you mean by that?

I mean exactly what I said. People who are opposed to immigration. Do you object to being classified as someone who is opposed to immigration?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

mwpt wrote: »

I mean exactly what I said. People who are opposed to immigration. Do you object to being classified as someone who is opposed to immigration?

I'm opposed to limitless and uncontrolled immigration, and opposed to debate about how nations control their borders and plan future use of resources being stifled with hysterical shrieks of "racist!" and "Kipper!".

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That's not what I suggested. It's your spin on what I stated.

I asked for REASONS as to why Brexit is to blame for the drops we have seen in the last month.

If there are solid reasons, and we can lay them on Brexit, then fair do's. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The BBC are all over it, sttaing "brexit, pound fall" at every opportunity, however, they give no reason other than "brexit".

If we'd implemented Article 50, or had negotations, or anything to do with Brexit, I'd understand. But literally nothing much has happened and won't until at least January.... so what's with the sudden instability if it's all Brexit's fault?

As I say, theres a huge risk that we all miss the huge elephant in the room.

The second point on this is that every other indicator that it was suggested Brexit would cause damage on has been absolutely fine....indeed, economists are somewhat surprised (again) that indicators have done better than they thought. Consumer confidence is up, house prices still going up, FTSE up, spending up. All those indicators were at risk....so if we are to blame brexit for the pound, surely all those other indicators would be suffering too?

The argument that the pound has suddenly, and violently dropped is because people "hopes" aren't realised is a bit far fetched, IMHO.

Yes we shouldn't miss any elephants in the room but Sterling fell suddenly on the 23rd June. Do you remember seeing any elephants that day or did anything strike you as being out of the ordinary?

There's no point asking for 'REASONS' why Sterling weakness has continued if you don't want to listen.

People are betting on reduced demand for Sterling, Hammond has come clean and stopped pretending the deficit will be eliminated, the government is going to borrow to 'invest', Article 50 now has a (slightly) firmer date and politicians are engaging in politicking.

What I find odd is why Sterling is weak given so many of our Brexit acolytes can only see a future of milk and honey and fields of clover.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

I mean exactly what I said. People who are opposed to immigration. Do you object to being classified as someone who is opposed to immigration?

See that's really interesting.

You're labelling / classifying everyone who voted leave as anti-immigration. When the truth is that cannot possibly be the case since that was not the question that was asked and it's very possible to have a view of leaving the EU without being opposed to immigration.

So you're creating the grouping, you're assigning the labels, and you're telling everyone that the vote is flawed based on the groupings and labels you've created.

Do you not see where I'm coming from?

If you were asked if you wanted toast for breakfast or not and you said you didn't, does that automatically imply that you hate toast, or marmite, or butter, or jam? No it does not.

GustyGardenGalaxy

The Pound steadily falling today, now 1.22 against the US Dollar, 1.09 against the Euro.

Well done Brexit voters, you did it.
"Did what?" they ask.
Tanked the UK economy, that's what.