Pound going through the floor.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Really am tired of this vile rhetoric you spout.



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobe

Which clearly I am not since my wife is foreign and we've many foreign friends.

So no, leave voters are not the same as xenophobes.

Find a new narrative.

I'm sure they are all positively thrilled with you.

chucknorris

mrginge wrote: »

Yes but they have now accepted the result in full and accept we have to leave, but only by keeping everything else exactly the same.

Well I must admit that I would like that too, just as I would like Sunderland to win the Premiership, but that aint gonna happen either.

ruggedtoast

GustyGardenGalaxy wrote: »

The Pound steadily falling today, now 1.22 against the US Dollar, 1.09 against the Euro.

Well done Brexit voters, you did it.
"Did what?" they ask.
Tanked the UK economy, that's what.

They sure have. But as most of their experiences of 'the economy' is having their pensions / dole money paid into their bank account each month they will assume everything is all fine.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm sure they are all positively thrilled with you.

My wife said if she could vote she would do the same as me.

Our friends who are migrants from the EU and outside of the EU also would have voted to leave, one we know would have voted to remain and she's from Belarus which is outside the EU.

I've reported that on there before. Those who are anti-brexit automatically assume that all migrants are on their side, and that they are fighting for the rights of migrants, etc...etc... it's all rubbish. Migrants are people the same as me and you, they have their own opinions and ideas and not all of them will align with yours just because they're in a social classification because of their circumstance of being a migrant.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

See that's really interesting.

You're labelling / classifying everyone who voted leave as anti-immigration.

No, I'm not. As usual you're misunderstanding things. Either on purpose or because you just cannot read things properly. Please go back on the conversation and see exactly what I said.

When the truth is that cannot possibly be the case since that was not the question that was asked and it's very possible to have a view of leaving the EU without being opposed to immigration.

Thank you finally for saying the same thing I'm saying. The vote was not about immigration or FOM, it was about leaving the EU. We heard many many times from many people that they were mostly concerned about taking back control from Brussels and making our own laws.

All of which seems to have gone out the window and now all the rhetoric is about immigration. Why is FOM a red line for us? Who gave the government a mandate to make this a red line when in your own words (just above here), " that was not the question that was asked".

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

See that's really interesting.

You're labelling / classifying everyone who voted leave as anti-immigration. When the truth is that cannot possibly be the case since that was not the question that was asked and it's very possible to have a view of leaving the EU without being opposed to immigration.

So you're creating the grouping, you're assigning the labels, and you're telling everyone that the vote is flawed based on the groupings and labels you've created.

Do you not see where I'm coming from?

If you were asked if you wanted toast for breakfast or not and you said you didn't, does that automatically imply that you hate toast, or marmite, or butter, or jam? No it does not.

If you really couldn't figure out that the Leave campaign had been taken over by racists then you really weren't paying attention.

An out referendum was the only policy of UKIP, a political party for racists, for a start.

Well it's a shame you didn't realise you were voting for febrile xenophobic beastliness when you cast your ballot because that's what you've got. Along with the rest of us who wanted nothing to do with it. Sadly.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

I mean exactly what I said. People who are opposed to immigration. Do you object to being classified as someone who is opposed to immigration?

I, like most people, object to being classified as something that I am not. Can you justify your claim?

However, I do appreciate that some people lack the cognitive skills to understand that if a person is opposed to a current law or rule, it does not mean they object in entirety to the subject of that law.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

No, I'm not. As usual you're misunderstanding things. Either on purpose or because you just cannot read things properly. Please go back on the conversation and see exactly what I said.



Thank you finally for saying the same thing I'm saying. The vote was not about immigration or FOM, it was about leaving the EU. We heard many many times from many people that they were mostly concerned about taking back control from Brussels and making our own laws.

All of which seems to have gone out the window and now all the rhetoric is about immigration. Why is FOM a red line for us? Who gave the government a mandate to make this a red line when in your own words (just above here), " that was not the question that was asked".

No one has to give the government permission to do that, that mandate was given in the 2015 general election because we live in a parliamentary democracy.

The answer to the referendum question was given, and it's now up to the government in parliament to decide what leaving the EU should look like. They've clearly decided that FOM is a red line. There's no mandate for that required.

If you want a government to enact the will of the people most of the time then Switzerland is a great model, every time petitions reach 50,000 I think they require a referendum, or at least a discussion on a referendum in their parliament. In the UK our democracy doesn't work that way. Perhaps someone should start a petition to have parliament debate a referendum on what Brexit should look like and then you can sign it.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

See that's really interesting.

You're labelling / classifying everyone who voted leave as anti-immigration. When the truth is that cannot possibly be the case since that was not the question that was asked and it's very possible to have a view of leaving the EU without being opposed to immigration.

So you're creating the grouping, you're assigning the labels, and you're telling everyone that the vote is flawed based on the groupings and labels you've created.

Do you not see where I'm coming from?

If you were asked if you wanted toast for breakfast or not and you said you didn't, does that automatically imply that you hate toast, or marmite, or butter, or jam? No it does not.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My wife said if she could vote she would do the same as me.

Our friends who are migrants from the EU and outside of the EU also would have voted to leave, one we know would have voted to remain and she's from Belarus which is outside the EU.

I've reported that on there before. Those who are anti-brexit automatically assume that all migrants are on their side, and that they are fighting for the rights of migrants, etc...etc... it's all rubbish. Migrants are people the same as me and you, they have their own opinions and ideas and not all of them will align with yours just because they're in a social classification because of their circumstance of being a migrant.

Maybe they didn't realise that the companies that employ them were going to have to be named and shamed, for doing so, or that they were to become 'bargaining cards' for Brexit negotiations with no right to remain.

Personally I know plenty of people from the EU and none of them wanted this. I guess we just move in different circles.

By the way, interesting thing on social media. Someone posted phrases from May's speech at the Confrerence and asked Tory voters to defend them, which they did with alacrity. The poster them revealed that the quotes were actually from Mein Kampf.

wotsthat

mwpt wrote: »

The vote was not about immigration or FOM, it was about leaving the EU. We heard many many times from many people that they were mostly concerned about taking back control from Brussels and making our own laws.

I can see the argument you're trying to make. However, I suspect you realise that what you heard about sovereignty and democracy was BS and a cover for xenophobia. Nobody is going to admit to that so best to dress it up in more high minded terms.

The government are judging that immigration was front of mind when determining what Brexit should mean. IMO they're absolutely spot on - if they're not tough on immigration they fear they'll lose votes (to who I don't know).

When Tricky gets fined for not having a foreign wife license it might sink in.