F&F agreed on acceptance of offer, now potentially in dispute

alfred64

If price you agreed to pay included f+f but now are excluded, submit amended offer to reflect this fact.

AnotherJoe

Given that you dont trust this seller at all whatever they do, I suggest you withdraw.
Your schemes to attempt to pin them down are basically unworkable for reasons already indicated, so unless this turns out to be a simple error you have no alternative but to walk.

G_M

I agree. Either

* continue to negotiate on F&Fs and/or price till you are happy,
or
* walk away

ellie27

Your offer was 'I will pay x amount and want this and that included'

They accepted your price.

Now the paperwork is being done and part of it is the F&F list which they fill in.

You are not happy with it, so you decide what to do.

It is all about negotiation. Back and forward until you can reach an agreement.

They have not signed anything to say they will give you x, y, z ..... so they do not have to do things your way.

AnotherJoe

ellie27 wrote: »

Your offer was 'I will pay x amount and want this and that included'

They accepted your price.

Now the paperwork is being done and part of it is the F&F list which they fill in.

You are not happy with it, so you decide what to do.

It is all about negotiation. Back and forward until you can reach an agreement.

They have not signed anything to say they will give you x, y, z ..... so they do not have to do things your way.

But the fact is they agreed on a price including f&f and and are now reneging by removing the f&f. It's no different to them agreeing a price of say £200k and then when the papers come through the price they have put is £210k and you are told "they are only negotiating".

moneyistooshorttomention

alfred64 wrote: »

If price you agreed to pay included f+f but now are excluded, submit amended offer to reflect this fact.

That would be my favoured option too.

Just - calmly and clearly say "My offer has now been reduced to £x - in view of vendor stating they will take the f & f. My first offer will still stand - PROVIDED they leave the f & f as agreed".

Sounds like the "financial reasons" they lost their first 2 buyers might have been that they tried this on with them as well - but they can't keep on pulling this stunt for evermore. Sooner or later they are going to have to mean what they say and stick to agreed terms. As buyer 3 - hopefully they'll have got fed-up of this game by now.

Do you know what their onward plans are? Have they got a further purchase lined-up? If they have - then I wonder if it's a house they "love" and wouldnt want to lose and you have any chance of getting in contact with their vendors to explain what is going on and maybe those vendors might put some pressure on them from the other end? (ie "If you don't stop agreeing offers with your buyers and then trying to renege on them - we might just decide not to sell to you after all because of all the delay you are causing us by playing this game").

Davesnave

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Do you know what their onward plans are? Have they got a further purchase lined-up? If they have - then I wonder if it's a house they "love" and wouldnt want to lose and you have any chance of getting in contact with their vendors to explain what is going on and maybe those vendors might put some pressure on them from the other end? (ie "If you don't stop agreeing offers with your buyers and then trying to renege on them - we might just decide not to sell to you after all because of all the delay you are causing us by playing this game").

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The vendor's onward purchase is not for the OP to attempt influence over. Only fruit cakes would do that.

Pressure behind the scenes can sometimes be applied, but this is a job for agents and solicitors.

moneyistooshorttomention

Obviously the pressure behind scenes would be indirect - ie via solicitor or agent.

AdrianC

AP3 wrote: »

I can happily say that, should this "rouge" F&F list not have appeared, it wouldn't have crossed my mind to have done anything other than follow a straightforward exchange and completion.

The fact here is that the vendor is swinging from "offer accepted, everything you want included", to "pay me for everything we agreed would be included".

This "rogue" F&F list is the one that the vendor is submitting towards the contract you would exchange. Prior to this, you have only had verbal assurances from them that the fixtures would be included.

So, if you exchanged, it is this written list forming part of the PIF that you would be exchanging based upon.

You need to take a big dose of "calm the heck down", and get your solicitor to say to their solicitor "the offer that was accepted was on the basis these were included". See what they say. If they say "Nope, they're extra", then your response is "OK, I'll pay £x extra, but the base price will be reduced by £x". Or walk away. Or just shrug and accept it. Your choice.

Davesnave

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Obviously the pressure behind scenes would be indirect - ie via solicitor or agent.

Wasn't obvious to me.