Carney does a u-turn!

EnglishMohican

Ballard wrote: »

Do you think that the laws of the UK are written by MPs? It works in the same way as the European Parliament.

Thats not really true though is it. In the EU, laws are proposed by the Commission. That is "proposed", "thought up". Wikipedia states the Commission is a CABINET GOVERNMENT - very different to our own Civil Service.

Ballard wrote: »

Our parliament has two houses plus the monarch. The British electorate vote for the smaller of the two houses. In order to obtain full control of the country, as aspired to by many, surely the only possible solution is to ensure that both houses are filled with elected members.

Again - you choose to make a series of points that have no bearing on the real situation. The smaller of the two houses, the Commons which we elect, has hugely more power and rights than the numerically larger house (the Lords). Essentially, the Commons determines what happens and the Lords are asked to double check that the Commons plans are sensible, but cannot override the Commons if push comes to shove.

Personnally, I would prefer the membership of the Lords to be chosen on a more sensible basis than Cameron or Brown appear to have chosen to use but having a genuine body of wise-ness to check the work of whichever bunch of MP's that fashion determines should be in power is attractive when you see some of the stupidities of elected members.

EnglishMohican

le_loup wrote: »

Aw bless.
I was alive when that happened but it was an awful long time ago. Try to keep up with today.

Another snarky sort of response. I would have hoped that at your age you would have developed some wisdom, not just bitterness.

steampowered

The value of the pound dropped by about 15% against the dollar immediately following the referendum. And has stayed there.

That is probably also why the impact on other economic indicators has been limited - because the damage of Brexit has already been factored in by the massive drop in the value of the pound.

Hence why everything which is imported, or where pricing is linked to the US dollar, has had a price hike or will shortly have a price hike.

For example the price of new iphones has been hiked up dramatically (vs staying the same in the US) and the price of ipads is being hiked (vs a price reduction in the US). Dell has imposed a blanket 10% increase on the UK list price of all its products and HP is following. Energy and fuel prices are all denominated in USD so the prices of those will go up too.

bigfreddiel

le_loup wrote: »

Aw bless.
I was alive when that happened but it was an awful long time ago. Try to keep up with today.

So I guess the church apologising for the slave trade is also irrevalent because that was even further back in time, 1807 to be exact.

Nice innit! fj

colsten

veryintrigued wrote: »

Probably akin to an argument based upon the belief that anyone who even considered voting for Brexit was a xenophobe eh Colsten?

More likely than xenophobia: the vain desire to resurrect a lost empire.

As this blog articulates superbly:

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/07/grieving-for-lost-empire.html

JohnRo

None of the flag waving ignoramous army seem to realise the British Empire was built on high seas piracy, slavery, violence and colonial appropriation.

Good luck with that endeavour.

KingS6

Ballard wrote: »

I suspect that that sort of comment is typical of many Brexiters. I'm not saying all but I believe that a significant number didn't care about trade deals. The most important subject for a large number of voters was immigration and they felt that that was such an important issue that trade became n more than a side issue.

I've said all along that I expect us to have to accept free movement of people for new trade deals with the EU and I've seen nothing to dissuade me from that view. If so then it would be ironic as we will have lost our veto on Turkey joining (remember that this is imminent!) so there could well be more of a chance of 70 million Turks turning up now.

I mentioned to an ex work colleague last week that our car plants could be shifted to Germany over the next decade. His response was that that could never happen because Germany doesn't have the skills to manufacture cars. That's odd because one of the biggest Leave arguments was that Germany would be desperate for a deal so that they could sell us their cars.


I should emphasise that I am not saying that anyone on here is racist. What I am saying is that I feel that immigration played a big part in the vote for the population in general. I don't recall any posts on here that I would consider racist and this post isn't directed at anyone on here at all.

You do realise Turkey is nowhere near close to EU assession?

It has only adopted one of the 35 criteria in ten years and that was science & research.

The European Commission has also ruled out any new members for five years.

Plus with all the turmoil going on inside Turkey; Erdogan purging the government and judiciary, a violent attempted military coup possibly orchestrated by Erdogan himself, consideration of reinstating the death penalty, widespread human rights abuses and restriction of freedom of the press.

It will be a good while before Turkey is in a position to join the EU.

veryintrigued

colsten wrote: »

More likely than xenophobia: the vain desire to resurrect a lost empire.

As this blog articulates superbly:

http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/07/grieving-for-lost-empire.html

Colsten - you've lost the plot.

So those who voted Brexit were in fact looking to resurrect an empire?

Its fantacist claims like this that actually achieved the aim of pushing undecided voters down the Brexit route.

Ballard

EnglishMohican wrote: »

Thats not really true though is it. In the EU, laws are proposed by the Commission. That is "proposed", "thought up". Wikipedia states the Commission is a CABINET GOVERNMENT - very different to our own Civil Service.


Again - you choose to make a series of points that have no bearing on the real situation. The smaller of the two houses, the Commons which we elect, has hugely more power and rights than the numerically larger house (the Lords). Essentially, the Commons determines what happens and the Lords are asked to double check that the Commons plans are sensible, but cannot override the Commons if push comes to shove.

Personnally, I would prefer the membership of the Lords to be chosen on a more sensible basis than Cameron or Brown appear to have chosen to use but having a genuine body of wise-ness to check the work of whichever bunch of MP's that fashion determines should be in power is attractive when you see some of the stupidities of elected members.

The fact remains that we vote(d) for MEPs who vote on laws. We vote for MPs who vote on laws. I don't go for the argument that the European parliament isn't democratic.

Ballard

KingS6 wrote: »

You do realise Turkey is nowhere near close to EU assession?

It has only adopted one of the 35 criteria in ten years and that was science & research.

The European Commission has also ruled out any new members for five years.

Plus with all the turmoil going on inside Turkey; Erdogan purging the government and judiciary, a violent attempted military coup possibly orchestrated by Erdogan himself, consideration of reinstating the death penalty, widespread human rights abuses and restriction of freedom of the press.

It will be a good while before Turkey is in a position to join the EU.

You have completely missed my point. I know that Turkey are decades from joining the EU but Vote Leave declared that they were to join 'soon'.