new tougher rules for mobile phone users

atrixblue.-MFR-.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37389800


its not enough I say

unforeseen

Since, due to a lack of resources on the ground, only the miniscule tip of the iceberg are ever caught and prosecuted then this although an increase in the penalty is primarily a media exercise.

It may result in a drop in prosecutions but I don't believe that there will be a perceptible drop in the use of the phone due to the slim chance of being caught

Sicard

I saw a guy on BBC Breakfast being interviewed whose brother was killed by a man who was texting before the crash. He doesn't think the £200 fine and 6 points is enough and nor does the retired head of the police traffic division. The guy tried to get on a police driving awareness course to confront the offender who already had been on two courses but was told he'd have to commit the crime first which seemed pretty idiotic to have to be taught driving awareness after committing the offence. A bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

It's hard catching the idiots who use their mobiles while driving unless they're caught in a jam, but if car manufacturers built in a device to suppress the signal using available technology that would work better.

Norman_Castle

Good. It amazes me how many drivers will use their phone while parked then pull away while still on the phone instead of finishing the call first.

neilmcl

Laurie_Sicard-Askey wrote: »

It's hard catching the idiots who use their mobiles while driving unless they're caught in a jam, but if car manufacturers built in a device to suppress the signal using available technology that would work better.

It's no less difficult than catching drivers without their seatbelts on, for example. The only issue is a lack of resource to do the job.

shaun_from_Africa

Laurie_Sicard-Askey wrote: »

but if car manufacturers built in a device to suppress the signal using available technology that would work better.

Which would:
A/ Prevent passengers from using a mobile phone,
B/ Prevent drivers from using a mobile phone in an emergency, something that is not illegal provided that you felt it was unsafe or impracticable to stop,
C/ Be impossible to incorporate into convertibles, soft top or open top cars without it affecting people outside of the vehicle.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

I believe that both drink driving or using a mobile device should come with a shock an ore law.


once caught, immediate removal of driving license on the spot by the officer in charge and a fine of £500 and 2yr disqual come into force from that day, If the vehicle is owned outright it automatically becomes the property of the treasury to dispose of how they wish crush or sell at auction, If its finance or leased, its impounded and handed back to the company who owns it, A victim surcharge, storage, towing fee, an awareness course (paid for by the offender)extended driving test after 2yrs to regain license plus a 2yr probationary period imposed plus VAT is then applied ontop.


No hardhip plea's no pulling on the sympathy strings of a lenient judge.


I agree theres not enough man power to effectively police this either.
in my street alone theres 3 disqual drivers all driving cars with zero feks given, you call 101 only to be told "we'll log it down as intelligence" and nothing happens nada zilch.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Which would:
A/ Prevent passengers from using a mobile phone.


Will encourage people to pull over for their converstions, benefits are that you don't distract the driver whilst their driving.

B/ Prevent drivers from using a mobile phone in an emergency, something that is not illegal provided that you felt it was unsafe or impracticable to stop, Many new modern cars come with Bluetooth built in as standard,
That's clause should be removed, there is no reason what so ever to touch a mobile device whilst driving. what scenario would warrant such thing?
many modern phones come with Bluetooth to connect said phone to said vehicle. most vehicle has crash emergency systems anyway that dial emergency services in the event of an accident.

C/ Be impossible to incorporate into convertibles, soft top or open top cars without affecting people around it


Simple like alarm systems manufacturers can have sensors within the vehicle to dectect the phones signal within the cab itself and not outside of it.

Answers in bold in quote.

peter12345678910

They have no choice but to add a 6 point penalty, or the alternative is to ban mobile phones from the country.

Fat_Walt

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

I believe that both drink driving or using a mobile device should come with a shock an ore law.


once caught, immediate removal of driving license on the spot by the officer in charge and a fine of £500 and 2yr disqual come into force from that day, If the vehicle is owned outright it automatically becomes the property of the treasury to dispose of how they wish crush or sell at auction, If its finance or leased, its impounded and handed back to the company who owns it, A victim surcharge, storage, towing fee, an awareness course (paid for by the offender)extended driving test after 2yrs to regain license plus a 2yr probationary period imposed plus VAT is then applied ontop.


No hardhip plea's no pulling on the sympathy strings of a lenient judge.


I agree theres not enough man power to effectively police this either.
in my street alone theres 3 disqual drivers all driving cars with zero feks given, you call 101 only to be told "we'll log it down as intelligence" and nothing happens nada zilch.

So in the past you've been anti police but now you're happy for them to be judge, jury and exocutioner?

Talc1234

In response to the 'hang them and crush their cars' posts....

1. Blocking the signals in cars - would be illegal and and go against the terms the mobile service providers were given when they purchased their network frequencies. Plenty of legitimate use of mobiles by passengers etc...

2. On the spot bans / fines by police/ confiscation - Rather goes against UK law where innocence is presumed until proven guilty in a court of law. Even though Police may ticket, there is always the opportunity for the offender to choose trial.

3. How does the new law apply to;

- Using phone to listen to music through the car's speakers via a wired connection or bluetooth?

- Using the phone for satellite navigation i.e. google maps or waze

- Using a voice recognition service to send text or messages like Siri. If that is to be banned then why would 'holding a conversation with a person next to you' remain legitimate?