The Trade Implications of Brexit....

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Fact is most of us were perfectly happy with things the way they were. When the costs of Brexit start rolling in......the middle classes, who actually often like travelling to Europe without a visa will become more and more vocal.Yes lets look back later on.

So Turks will enter the EU without the need for a visa, and Brits will need one?......Lol! The EU is fooked!

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

Fact is most of us were perfectly happy with things the way they were.

Interesting that you use the word 'Fact' and then state something that clearly isn't true.

When the costs of Brexit start rolling in......the middle classes, who actually often like travelling to Europe without a visa will become more and more vocal.Yes lets look back later on.

Aren't visa proposals are non-schengen countries, so would have affected us regardless?

mwpt

Tromking wrote: »

So Turks will enter the EU without the need for a visa, and Brits will need one?......Lol! The EU is fooked!

There you have it, the brexiteer attitude demonstrated. Brits superior to Turks.

Tromking

mwpt wrote: »

There you have it, the brexiteer attitude demonstrated. Brits superior to Turks.

I'm just flagging up the irony Old Boy.
That said, Brits are superior to Turks in most ways that matter.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And my problem with the leave argument is they've refused to acknowledge the reality of the compromises which will need to be made, and what we'll definitely lose in order to possibly gain elsewhere.

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This comes back to what I said to you many moons ago; You start out with the assumption we are the begging dog, and the EU our master to hand us down scraps and we will be happy.


This is a profound misreading and thus your whole outlook is built on a shakey foundation.


I know you will argue the old 'but the EU is a market of 500m citizens and we will have to jump as high as they say', but that's another misnomer.


We are far better off out, we were pretty reluctant members anyway, and never fully on-board. It's an old and lumbering mess now.


My fundamental reason for supporting Brexit is because I feel we will be better off both economically and in terms of how we feel about ourselves as a society in charge of our own destiny and autonomy.


Having an orderly immigration system is another crucial benefit, especially for those of us facing great congestion and the hum of omnipresent Humanity in our lives. There's more to life than relentless Human expansion.

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

Amazing how much better things were in the 1970s when Red Robbo and the Transport and General Workers Union were contributing to such harmonious industrial relations.

Yes. Even with Red Robbo we still made more cars.

Of course Red Robbo and others were communist agitators, whose every action was designed to bring down the UK car industry. They needn't have bothered, the EU has done it far more effectively.

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Yes. Even with Red Robbo we still made more cars.

Of course Red Robbo and others were communist agitators, whose every action was designed to bring down the UK car industry. They needn't have bothered, the EU has done it far more effectively.

The EU hasn't done anything like it. The UK "suffers" because it is a rich society in a globalising economy where other third world or low cost, low wage nations can make things cheaper than us.

Brexit is not going to change that unless we also become a low wage economy.

You guys really cannot see the reality because your hatred for the EU blinds you.

yessuz

Conrad wrote: »

This comes back to what I said to you many moons ago; You start out with the assumption we are the begging dog, and the EU our master to hand us down scraps and we will be happy.


This is a profound misreading and thus your whole outlook is built on a shakey foundation.


I know you will argue the old 'but the EU is a market of 500m citizens and we will have to jump as high as they say', but that's another misnomer.


We are far better off out, we were pretty reluctant members anyway, and never fully on-board. It's an old and lumbering mess now.


My fundamental reason for supporting Brexit is because I feel we will be better off both economically and in terms of how we feel about ourselves as a society in charge of our own destiny and autonomy.


Having an orderly immigration system is another crucial benefit, especially for those of us facing great congestion and the hum of omnipresent Humanity in our lives. There's more to life than relentless Human expansion.

can you tell us, WHY we are better out of EU than being in, expecially, why you think so, as all your life, at work/trade you spent within EU. so you know how it is when you got trade agreements within.. so what's next?

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

The EU hasn't done anything like it. The UK "suffers" because it is a rich society in a globalising economy where other third world or low cost, low wage nations can make things cheaper than us.

Brexit is not going to change that unless we also become a low wage economy.

You guys really cannot see the reality because your hatred for the EU blinds you.

Brussels arranging our global trade deals and much of our law is not expedient, and what is needed for todays fast changing global stage is a nimble, locally lead autonomous economy, not a great lumbering club of 28 that spend inordinate amounts of time in disagreement, hence why only one ok trade deal delivered in the last 6 years, S Korea

Conrad

yessuz wrote: »

can you tell us, WHY we are better out of EU than being in, expecially, why you think so, as all your life, at work/trade you spent within EU. so you know how it is when you got trade agreements within.. so what's next?

I can't understand your question, can you re-phrase it please.