Swiss offer EU solution for Britain

sann420

mwpt wrote: »

You can tell the impact it has had on poorer areas in the UK too. All the educated people move to more affluent areas for better paying jobs and the areas from which they came stagnate.

No?

They work in the same economy. Whether you live in West End or East End you are contributing to British economy. I am talking about brain drain from a country not a shoddy area.

mwpt

sann420 wrote: »

They work in the same economy. Whether you live in West End or East End you are contributing to British economy. I am talking about brain drain from a country not a shoddy area.

You are unable to think things through properly.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

You are unable to think things through properly.

Have you decided if you are happy for rich areas to be kept rich by sucking all the talent away from poor areas yet?

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Have you decided if you are happy for rich areas to be kept rich by sucking all the talent away from poor areas yet?

Have you decided that you're ok with fencing people in to areas where they were born so that rich areas can't "suck away the talent"?

Alan_Brown

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The EU must and will hold firm.

Free movement of people is as vital for a single market as free movement of goods or capital.

Free movement to work, not free movement to settle.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Have you decided that you're ok with fencing people in to areas where they were born so that rich areas can't "suck away the talent"?

that is EXACTLY your own belief

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

that is EXACTLY your own belief

Nope, your sleight of hand won't work Mr. Snakeoil salesman. Well, it probably will on your acolytes who have bought into your "remainers hate black Africans rhetoric".

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Nope, your sleight of hand won't work Mr. Snakeoil salesman. Well, it probably will on your acolytes who have bought into your "remainers hate black Africans rhetoric".

abuse is not the answer.

you could give a clear explanation of how the UK is allowed maintain our benefit system unchanged for UK citizens but prevent EU migrants from claiming (not that I personally approve).
My view is that is not permitted within the EU rules.

kabayiri

Alan_Brown wrote: »

Free movement to work, not free movement to settle.

It's a shame that people were not allowed to discuss what freedom of work opportunity should actually mean.

I preferred an European wide skills market to provide flexibility for specific skills shortages in specific countries at specific times.

All we had to express our view was a nuclear button marked Brexit.

It was a poor political instrument to achieve change IMO.

mwpt

kabayiri wrote: »

It's a shame that people were not allowed to discuss what freedom of work opportunity should actually mean.

I preferred an European wide skills market to provide flexibility for specific skills shortages in specific countries at specific times.

All we had to express our view was a nuclear button marked Brexit.

It was a poor political instrument to achieve change IMO.

Sensible post in many ways. I agree that the instrument was poor (I said this long before the result). Now we're in a cycle of "what does brexit mean" and the outcome of that won't even be decided by a party appointed to look after brexit, but by the last government.

There is an argument to be made that people elected the Tories based on the referendum promise so trusted them to deliver an outcome. But I don't really buy that. Our political system results in a two party race and the Tories got home because of several reasons (Labour were appealing to the wrong people being one of them).

So what now? The vagaries of who our political leaders happen to be at this time decides the future economic and social course of the country. Well, that's kind of normal I guess. But this is the most significant even in the last 40 something years and I feel it could have been helpful to have an election where we at least knew what course the various parties were promising. How do I get my voice heard about what brexit should look like? Where is the democracy on that?

I know that brexiteers feel differently, because they're nervous that their sacred cow (immigration) would end up being a minority view (see UKIP).