Swiss offer EU solution for Britain

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

No, just that I would hope one day for a world where we are not tied down by borders. You can extrapolate out of that what you want I suppose.

If, indeed that is what you mean, then it clearly has absolutely no relevance to the brexit debate or the situation in world today or the merits of people moving from Sunderland to London.

It is of course, in you own very narrow self interest : nothing wrong with you wanting what is best for yourself even if you know it is impractical and would probably cause war and death on a huge scale.

Money_saving_maniac

mwpt wrote: »

Indeed, there is no such thing. But I have not had a sheltered life. My guess is I've lived in more countries than you have and come from a lot poorer background than you do. But that is just my guess, because you display an entitled and nationalist attitude.

Blah blah cut for brevity.

If I said to you that I wanted to stop the people from outside of London moving to London because I only want what is best for the citizens of London, you'd think I was bonkers. Well, I see your views the same way. One day, (a long time still) most people will feel the same.



I don't think even you know what you're trying to say here by quoting me.

1) London is part of the United Kingdom, so that's just an illogical and silly argument. Your logic is totally flawed. More accurately, there is zero logic there.

2) I've only lived in 3 countries so you may well have lived in more places than I. Sorry, I didn't realise this was a boasting competition.

3) I was so poor I had to lick gravel for breakfast as a kid.

4) Your naivety and lack of experience demonstrated by proclaiming yourself as a citizen of the world is breathtaking. My old mum used to say 'Fine words butter no parsnips. She also used to say 'Red shoes no knickers' which I think can be transposed into many realms including ideas. Why don't you pop over to Afghanistan and tell the guys there that you are a 'citizen of the world' and see what they say?

5) I quoted your words because you said that the people who voted remain must have done so as a protest vote, because there was nothing in it for them in that you could see no evidence that their life would be better outside the EU, and they voted against EU because their lives were a bit sh%t.
And then you denied having said that. So I posted your quote. I'm sorry if you are posting without fully understanding what you are actually writing, but I can't do anything about that .

mwpt

Money_saving_maniac wrote: »

1) London is part of the United Kingdom, so that's just an illogical and silly argument. Your logic is totally flawed. More accurately, there is zero logic there.

The UK is part of the EU, so that's just an illogical and silly argument. Your logic is totally flawed. More accurately, there is zero logic there.

Ie. "My imaginary lines are better than your imaginary lines".

2) I've only lived in 3 countries so you may well have lived in more places than I. Sorry, I didn't realise this was a boasting competition.

3) I was so poor I had to lick gravel for breakfast as a kid.

If you don't want it to be that, don't bring it up. You were the initial one to start with the personal stuff saying I'd had a sheltered life. I'm happy to drop the subject.

4) Your naivety and lack of experience demonstrated by proclaiming yourself as a citizen of the world is breathtaking. My old mum used to say 'Fine words butter no parsnips. She also used to say 'Red shoes no knickers' which I think can be transposed into many realms including ideas.

You said that the UK is better off without people like me. I was taking a moment to explain my situation and views.

Why don't you pop over to Afghanistan and tell the guys there that you are a 'citizen of the world' and see what they say?

Yes, there are a lot of problems in the world. Becoming more insular and creating more "them" to blame should solve it all. Well done.

5) I quoted your words because you said that the people who voted remain must have done so as a protest vote, because there was nothing in it for them in that you could see no evidence that their life would be better outside the EU, and they voted against EU because their lives were a bit sh%t.
And then you denied having said that. So I posted your quote. I'm sorry if you are posting without fully understanding what you are actually writing, but I can't do anything about that .

I said a lot of people who voted leave must have done so as a protest vote. Google "brexit protest vote". My opinion on this is not so outlandish.

Money_saving_maniac

mwpt wrote: »

The UK is part of the EU, so that's just an illogical and silly argument. Your logic is totally flawed. More accurately, there is zero logic there.

Ie. "My imaginary lines are better than your imaginary lines".




If you don't want it to be that, don't bring it up. You were the initial one to start with the personal stuff saying I'd had a sheltered life. I'm happy to drop the subject.



You said that the UK is better off without people like me. I was taking a moment to explain my situation and views.



Yes, there are a lot of problems in the world. Becoming more insular and creating more "them" to blame should solve it all. Well done.



I said a lot of people who voted leave must have done so as a protest vote. Google "brexit protest vote". My opinion on this is not so outlandish.

So sorry of course I meant that you were referring to those who voted leave as a protest vote. Which you then denied posting...

Your logic is non existent. You cannot compare London, which is an integral part of the UK, with the positions of the UK and the EU. However if you are genuinely incapable of understanding why there is a difference, you're in a worse place intellectually than I thought you were, and there's no point discussing it with you. I think part of your problem understanding it is that it's likely you come from mainland Europe where borders have been a metaphorical line in the sand or a bend in the river, or a side of a mountain, and where bits of territories have been annexed at various times.

You cannot understand what it is to be part of an Island Nation that doesn't have indistinct borders and that has not been conquered since 1066. The only bit we have that's bendy is the border with Eire, and frankly I think if you polled most of the UK we would get rid of Northern Ireland if it was possible.

Do I want people like you in the UK? I can't answer that as I don't know you. Do I want more people of any kind to move to the UK? I can answer that and the answer is no. You cannot and should not personalise this to be 'about you', because it simply isn't.

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

I said a lot of people who voted leave must have done so as a protest vote. Google "brexit protest vote". My opinion on this is not so outlandish.

Yes they did, a rejection of the extremism of centre ground politics which has inflicted mass immigration, overt PC culture that privileges anyone waving the race card, that enabled mass rape of children in many northern towns over 15 years, that turns a blind eye to mass sponging and abuse of our fair minded nature, soft touch Britain that spend billions in legal aid and extended ooman rights based appeals on people that hate this nation and yet that sponge benefits, that provides not only NHS services to all commer health tourists but actually OFFERS interpreters (I know Doctors that tell me the reality of this sort of mass abuse)

And that's the tip of the iceberg. We're sick and tired of unfairness.

redux

Conrad, are you going to continue supporting UKIP, or be tempted by Farage's new political movement?

Yes, one of the most duplicitous people in politics is talking about leaving the mainstream, but he is also already talking about a comeback in another guise, which sounds even more of a personality cult than this was.

Conrad

redux wrote: »

Conrad, are you going to continue supporting UKIP, or be tempted by Farage's new political movement?

Yes, one of the most duplicitous people in politics is talking about leaving the mainstream, but he is also already talking about a comeback in another guise, which sounds even more of a personality cult than this was.

Your post is the first I've heard of this, so I will look into it, but as a general stance I'm so far happy, more than happy, Dianne James is at the helm.
UKIP is the only party with a ground up ear to the people dynamic, profoundly different to the out of touch, snotty middle class types that know next to nothing of reality.


I see the centre ground of politics as extreme anyway as it inflicts all sorts of extreme nonsense on us that conflicts with the general sense of fair play we Brits are all about.


Listening to the Lib Dem conference, almost everything they spout is an anathema to fair play and common sense. For example their answer to the NHS is more spending, more tax, yet they fail to spot the NHS budget doubled between 2000 and 2010, and will always want more funds to gobble. But it you talk to front line staff (not academics) you find out the criminal amount of waste. For example people turn up at A&E with minor things we all used to sort ourselves not long ago before the entitlement 'me me' selfish culture got going.


Or the NHS tourists that don't pay for treatment (in Germany your card details are taken and tested up front and if you don't pay they call the police). A Lib Dem would not even thing about such disparities as this as they are too busy trying to out do others in their vain virtue signalling, always trying to set themselves on a higher moral pedestal - it's cheap and causes huge anger with ordinary fair playing citizens


Lib Dems and centrists bend compassion out of shape so it becomes a dirty word that irritates fair minded people. They default to assuming just about all people are honest and trying their best, but this is simply farcical, and it causes spongers and fiendish types to profit from kindness.


Celebrating the fact poor developing nations loose their Doc and Nurses to us over-entitled Brits, sickens me and yet centreists would consider this compassionate, they are so shallow and unthinking


Foreign Aid corrupts people, causes poverty, curtails self-help, allows inept governance to fester, and again is far from compassionate. Trade not aid (ASIDE FROM EMMERGENCIES). Once again centrists accept a shallow knee-jerk compassion narrative that bares no scrutiny. It seems they make themselves feel more compassionate by simply, throwing money at things.

So much need for UKIP

Money_saving_maniac

Conrad wrote: »

Your post is the first I've heard of this, so I will look into it, but as a general stance I'm so far happy, more than happy, Dianne James is at the helm.
UKIP is the only party with a ground up ear to the people dynamic, profoundly different to the out of touch, snotty middle class types that know next to nothing of reality.


I see the centre ground of politics as extreme anyway as it inflicts all sorts of extreme nonsense on us that conflicts with the general sense of fair play we Brits are all about.


Listening to the Lib Dem conference, almost everything they spout is an anathema to fair play and common sense. For example their answer to the NHS is more spending, more tax, yet they fail to spot the NHS budget doubled between 2000 and 2010, and will always want more funds to gobble. But it you talk to front line staff (not academics) you find out the criminal amount of waste. For example people turn up at A&E with minor things we all used to sort ourselves not long ago before the entitlement 'me me' selfish culture got going.


Or the NHS tourists that don't pay for treatment (in Germany your card details are taken and tested up front and if you don't pay they call the police). A Lib Dem would not even thing about such disparities as this as they are too busy trying to out do others in their vain virtue signalling, always trying to set themselves on a higher moral pedestal - it's cheap and causes huge anger with ordinary fair playing citizens


Lib Dems and centrists bend compassion out of shape so it becomes a dirty word that irritates fair minded people. They default to assuming just about all people are honest and trying their best, but this is simply farcical, and it causes spongers and fiendish types to profit from kindness.


Celebrating the fact poor developing nations loose their Doc and Nurses to us over-entitled Brits, sickens me and yet centreists would consider this compassionate, they are so shallow and unthinking


Foreign Aid corrupts people, causes poverty, curtails self-help, allows inept governance to fester, and again is far from compassionate. Trade not aid (ASIDE FROM EMMERGENCIES). Once again centrists accept a shallow knee-jerk compassion narrative that bares no scrutiny. It seems they make themselves feel more compassionate by simply, throwing money at things.

So much need for UKIP

Partly why there has been a huge increase in attendance at A&E is that nobody asks there 'Are you entitled to treatment?' whereas if they present to register with a GP they do need to show some id.