New employer has rejected holiday

TELLIT01

tir21 wrote: »

Surely at the least they should express regret that the holiday cannot honoured and reasons given

The employee should have mentioned it during interview but so should the employer.

We don't actually know what was said when the request was put in. The information provided by the OP doesn't exactly seem to be an objective summary. Yes there would seem to be fault on both sides, but I would expect somebody going in to a senior position to raise the subject themselves if it wasn't touched on by the interviewer.

tir21

TELLIT01 wrote: »

We don't actually know what was said when the request was put in. The information provided by the OP doesn't exactly seem to be an objective summary. Yes there would seem to be fault on both sides, but I would expect somebody going in to a senior position to raise the subject themselves if it wasn't touched on by the interviewer.

I'm not saying the employer should definitely honour the pre booked holiday - just that they should if they could. ie there should be a good reason not to

Obviously we don't know in what manner the request was rejected. The employer may have had very good reasons and adequately expressed them and the employee is just unhappy the answer was no

Alice_Walker

tir21 wrote: »

I'm not saying the employer should definitely honour the pre booked holiday - just that they should if they could. ie there should be a good reason not to

Obviously we don't know in what manner the request was rejected. The employer may have had very good reasons and adequately expressed them and the employee is just unhappy the answer was no

The needs of the business is a good reason to refuse the request, there is no suggestion that the request was denied for the fun of it.

If you are aware of a material fact that may affect your employment, the responsibility lies solely with you to bring this to the attention of the employer.

tir21

Alice_Walker wrote: »

The needs of the business is a good reason to refuse the request, there is no suggestion that the request was denied for the fun of it.

If you are aware of a material fact that may affect your employment, the responsibility lies solely with you to bring this to the attention of the employer.

I don't personally regard that as a good enough reason - it's to vague and nonexplanatory. Its treating the employee with a lack of compassion.

All businesses need their employees or they wouldn't employ them. So the needs of the business argument could be used to turn down all holiday requests - which would result in the employer breaking the law

What is needed is an explanation why the employee couldn't have this time off with comparison to say holiday in January that they could have off

Polarbeary

BabyDoll wrote: »

Bit cheeky asking for a holiday on a new job lol

Not really...one is entitled to holiday and this should have been mentioned before starting the job.

sangie595

tir21 wrote: »

I don't personally regard that as a good enough reason - it's to vague and nonexplanatory. Its treating the employee with a lack of compassion.

All businesses need their employees or they wouldn't employ them. So the needs of the business argument could be used to turn down all holiday requests - which would result in the employer breaking the law

What is needed is an explanation why the employee couldn't have this time off with comparison to say holiday in January that they could have off

How do you know they didn't get an explanation? The OP is rather subjective in what they have posted, and that's at second hand!

But no, that isn't what is needed, because the employer does not have to explain. What people personally think should be done is not the same thing as what must be done. My friend had to work the whole of her first Christmas and New Year, and she's very senior. It was the need of the business.

tir21

sangie595 wrote: »

How do you know they didn't get an explanation? The OP is rather subjective in what they have posted, and that's at second hand!

You must have missed my earlier post, post #53 where I said

"Obviously we don't know in what manner the request was rejected. The employer may have had very good reasons and adequately expressed them and the employee is just unhappy the answer was no"

But no, that isn't what is needed, because the employer does not have to explain. What people personally think should be done is not the same thing as what must be done. My friend had to work the whole of her first Christmas and New Year, and she's very senior. It was the need of the business.

The world is full of things we can do and things we should do. Just because an employer doesn't have to do something doesn't mean they shouldn't. I'm looking at it from a best practice point of view. A more flexible approach. An employer that shows a certain amount of flexibility to its employees will undoubtedly receive a greater amount of flexibility from them in return

By not explaining to the employee why they cannot have a certain week off the employee can never know if it's a problem that could not have been resolved

FBaby

Can you imagine the reason for not getting a job being because you have holiday booked at an inappropriate time?

So really, it sounds like your OH CHOSE not to say anything at interview because she thought it could compromise her chance of getting the job, but then acts all outraged when it is denied...

Frankly, I think it is unprofessional and very poor manners to have withhold such information at a crucial time and to then expect to have your wishes granted without having a clue whether this is likely to cause problems for the company of colleagues. To then actually make a request on the first day of starting work, well frankly, if she continues to act with such a sense of entitlement, she might not last as long as December anyway.

As a manager, if a new employee made such a request on their first day, my first impression of them would be quite tarnished. As a colleague, I would be really annoyed if indeed, they hadn't considered that maybe, holiday arrangements are decided as a team rather than individuals.

And yes, I was exactly in this situation when I last applied for a job. Was interviewed in November, had a cruise booked the following May, and yes, I brought it up at the end of the interview and asked if it would be a problem without being asked of any plans. I was told then that it wouldn't be a problem (even though it was during school holidays)

Alice_Walker

tir21 wrote: »

I don't personally regard that as a good enough reason - it's to vague and nonexplanatory. Its treating the employee with a lack of compassion.

All businesses need their employees or they wouldn't employ them. So the needs of the business argument could be used to turn down all holiday requests - which would result in the employer breaking the law

What is needed is an explanation why the employee couldn't have this time off with comparison to say holiday in January that they could have off

You fail to comprehend the dynamics of an employer-employee relationship. An employer is free to dictate exactly when employees take leave, as long as they give the statutory minimum (contractual if more).

Are you the chap that keeps a whole HR department in business with petty complaints?

tir21

Alice_Walker wrote: »

You fail to comprehend the dynamics of an employer-employee relationship. An employer is free to dictate exactly when employees take leave, as long as they give the statutory minimum (contractual if more).

I think your use of the word 'dictate' sums up what type of employer you would be or are