F&W News : Brexit vote pushing up household energy bills, claim experts

JJ_Egan

To be clear from the account and actual bills ..Actual charges .
Gas Zog Mercury 12 .
2.387 p per kwh Standing Charge 10.50 p per day . Both include vat .

Elec GB Electric Fixed 12 Sapphire .

10.0275 p per kwh
Standing Charge 15.8025 p per day
Both include vat.

stevegrass777

Cheaper energy after brexit!
That's my experience,just fixed a 12m deal for gas and electricity and it was cheaper than before,not by much but it was already not bad.

JJ_Egan

stevegrass777 wrote: »

Cheaper energy after brexit!
That's my experience,just fixed a 12m deal for gas and electricity and it was cheaper than before,not by much but it was already not bad.

Cheaper than the post above ??

Sosumi

The present situation in regard to the EU Referendum and Britain’s forthcoming secession from the EU has some similarity to the uncertainty that prevailed in Britain during the Phoney War.

When Hitler invaded Poland on 1 September 1939, Britain found itself propelled by treaty into a war with Germany.

This came as a great surprise and shock to many, and the Government had not prepared any proper contingency plan to deal with it.

But everything then went quiet and nothing changed much (except for the poor Poles, of course). Britons went about their daily business more or less as normal and the majority hoped that, for Britain at least, it would all just blow over.

The reality, however, was that powerful forces had been set in motion and that, while things looked much the same on the surface for the rest of the year and in the early spring of 1940, big trouble was brewing for Britain and all hell broke loose the following May.

At the moment, all the drama seems to have passed and everyone is still trying to work out what’s going to happen. But that won’t last. The moment Article 50 is triggered and the procedure begins in earnest, things are going to get very nasty during the negotiations that follow – and as a result of them.

Fools, particularly those who never travel, dismiss all that as “Project Fear” but there will, soon enough, be much genuine unpleasantness with which the British people will have to cope, for a good few years (if not for decades) to come. And money will become extremely tight.

The wise will realise that now is a good time to come to terms with that and get their affairs in order to deal with what’s coming.

And part of that is to get as long an energy fix as possible at an affordable tariff, as and when it’s possible.

The feçkless won’t bother; and they’ll pay a high price for their folly.

As for moi, I've decided to Vote Leave myself and spend my remaining years in a house overlooking the Mediterranean, where the energy bill for air-conditioning is greater than the one for heating, before Britain takes the EU's back door to poverty in the cold and rain, in a couple of years' time.

stevegrass777

Sosumi wrote: »

The present situation in regard to the EU Referendum and Britain’s forthcoming secession from the EU has some similarity to the uncertainty that prevailed in Britain during the Phoney War.

When Hitler invaded Poland on 1 September 1939, Britain found itself propelled by treaty into a war with Germany.

This came as a great surprise and shock to many, and the Government had not prepared any proper contingency plan to deal with it.

But everything then went quiet and nothing changed much (except for the poor Poles, of course). Britons went about their daily business more or less as normal and the majority hoped that, for Britain at least, it would all just blow over.

The reality, however, was that powerful forces had been set in motion and that, while things looked much the same on the surface for the rest of the year and in the early spring of 1940, big trouble was brewing for Britain and all hell broke loose the following May.

At the moment, all the drama seems to have passed and everyone is still trying to work out what’s going to happen. But that won’t last. The moment Article 50 is triggered and the procedure begins in earnest, things are going to get very nasty during the negotiations that follow – and as a result of them.

Fools, particularly those who never travel, dismiss all that as “Project Fear” but there will, soon enough, be much genuine unpleasantness with which the British people will have to cope, for a good few years (if not for decades) to come. And money will become extremely tight.

The wise will realise that now is a good time to come to terms with that and get their affairs in order to deal with what’s coming.

And part of that is to get as long an energy fix as possible at an affordable tariff, as and when it’s possible.

The feçkless won’t bother; and they’ll pay a high price for their folly.

As for moi, I've decided to Vote Leave myself and spend my remaining years in a house overlooking the Mediterranean, where the energy bill for air-conditioning is greater than the one for heating, before Britain takes the EU's back door to poverty in the cold and rain, in a couple of years' time.

I suppose you will be in one of those prosperous EU countries with nearly 50% youth unemployment.
I can't see how you can compare leaving a unsuccessful corrupt very expensive EU to going to war,then again the EU has been very expansionist just like Germany was before we got involved in stopping it.
The negatives for leaving were over done,and the BBC is still over doing it.
Leaving will be a breeze,I'm not saying negotiations won't be tough at times but it seems we have more people wanting to invest here than before and less folk want to invest in The eu without us in it,the eu has been bleeding us and our assets for years,if you can't see that just search for the list of companies that have had eu money to move factories to cheaper parts of the eu,from the UK.

stevegrass777

JJ_Egan wrote: »

Cheaper than the post above ??

No but I have had trouble with bad suppliers before and zog only have one review as I have seen,I stayed with green star because they have been very good so far and there new tarif is cheaper than the one 12m previous.

fredandwilma

stevegrass777 wrote: »

No but I have had trouble with bad suppliers before and zog only have one review as I have seen,I stayed with green star because they have been very good so far and there new tarif is cheaper than the one 12m previous.

Which just goes to show we don't always choose the cheapest tariff / supplier available.

Customer satisfaction can also influence our decisions?

I looked at Green Star but they are more expensive in my region. You also have to take into account, regional variations.


Although my E.on 2 year fix is still the cheapest tariff overall in all the tariffs they have offered in the last year, including the MSE /CEC collective September 2015.

Sosumi

stevegrass777 wrote: »

I suppose you will be in one of those prosperous EU countries with nearly 50% youth unemployment.
I can't see how you can compare leaving a unsuccessful corrupt very expensive EU to going to war,then again the EU has been very expansionist just like Germany was before we got involved in stopping it.
The negatives for leaving were over done,and the BBC is still over doing it.
Leaving will be a breeze,I'm not saying negotiations won't be tough at times but it seems we have more people wanting to invest here than before and less folk want to invest in The eu without us in it,the eu has been bleeding us and our assets for years,if you can't see that just search for the list of companies that have had eu money to move factories to cheaper parts of the eu,from the UK.

No, I don't suppose you can.

But worry not; I'll fret over you and the points you make all the way across the little access road and on to the beach.

Enjoy the last of your EU summer in economic sunshine.

And then wrap up warm, you are in for a very long and very hard winter.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37278222

http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/mindful-news/expert-opinion/brexit-and-the-phoney-war/


I didn’t realise when I made my previous posting above that others elsewhere had invoked analogy with the Phoney War in recent days. It was simply a thought that had occurred to me. But a quick Google this morning shows that among those who can construct a sentence in coherent English I am not alone in taking the view that I expressed.

I don’t know whether, in the long run, independence from the EU will turn out to be in Britain’s best interest or not. But the fact of the matter is that nor does anyone else. It’s a journey into shark-infested uncharted waters. Only a historian in 2050 or 2100 will, in retrospect, be able to judge its success or failure. And it will depend, in no small part, upon what takes place in continental Europe itself during the intervening period.

The thing of which I am fairly certain, and it is the prevailing opinion among those who can spell, is that, whatever the eventual outcome, Britain is in for a grim period financially over the next ten to fifteen years, even if Jean-Claude Wancker and his malevolent cronies will not, in their vindictiveness, be able to make the weather any worse in the UK than it already is.

Economic prosperity for an independent Britain, if it does come, is not likely occur in my own remaining lifetime; nor in that of many of this site’s other more senior members. It would be something for future generations to enjoy.

And it was upon that narrow point – namely, the affordability of domestic energy in the immediately foreseeable future – that the relevance to this thread and to this sub-forum of my posting was founded.

This is not the appropriate place for anyone to embark upon a wide-ranging debate into to the wisdom or otherwise of the United Kingdom voting to secede from the European Union. It’s a place for helping people to handle the consequences of it – specifically, here, in regard to managing their domestic energy costs.

My personal future plans are incidental to that. My needs, at my age, are not as extravagant and diverse as they were in my youth and middle-age. And my funds are more than adequate to fund them. When I leave Britain it will be as a climate, cultural and lifestyle migrant, not as an employment and economic one.

There’s a glorious satirical comedy drama to be made, set five years into the future, revolving around the efforts of middle-class Brits trying to smuggle themselves into the backs of trucks queueing outside Dover at night, in an attempt to get covertly into fortress EU and thence to Tuscany or Provence, to Andalusia or the Algarve.

I don’t know if I’ll ever get to see Ian La Frenais again, now, but if I do, I’ll suggest it to him. :grinheart

stevegrass777

Sosumi wrote: »

No, I don't suppose you can.

But worry not; I'll fret over you and the points you make all the way across the little access road and on to the beach.

Enjoy the last of your EU summer in economic sunshine.

And then wrap up warm, you are in for a very long and very hard winter.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37278222

http://www.mindfulmoney.co.uk/mindful-news/expert-opinion/brexit-and-the-phoney-war/


I didn’t realise when I made my previous posting above that others elsewhere had invoked analogy with the Phoney War in recent days. It was simply a thought that had occurred to me. But a quick Google this morning shows that among those who can construct a sentence in coherent English I am not alone in taking the view that I expressed.

I don’t know whether, in the long run, independence from the EU will turn out to be in Britain’s best interest or not. But the fact of the matter is that nor does anyone else. It’s a journey into shark-infested uncharted waters. Only a historian in 2050 or 2100 will, in retrospect, be able to judge its success or failure. And it will depend, in no small part, upon what takes place in continental Europe itself during the intervening period.

The thing of which I am fairly certain, and it is the prevailing opinion among those who can spell, is that, whatever the eventual outcome, Britain is in for a grim period financially over the next ten to fifteen years, even if Jean-Claude Wancker and his malevolent cronies will not, in their vindictiveness, be able to make the weather any worse in the UK than it already is.

Economic prosperity for an independent Britain, if it does come, is not likely occur in my own remaining lifetime; nor in that of many of this site’s other more senior members. It would be something for future generations to enjoy.

And it was upon that narrow point – namely, the affordability of domestic energy in the immediately foreseeable future – that the relevance to this thread and to this sub-forum of my posting was founded.

This is not the appropriate place for anyone to embark upon a wide-ranging debate into to the wisdom or otherwise of the United Kingdom voting to secede from the European Union. It’s a place for helping people to handle the consequences of it – specifically, here, in regard to managing their domestic energy costs.

My personal future plans are incidental to that. My needs, at my age, are not as extravagant and diverse as they were in my youth and middle-age. And my funds are more than adequate to fund them. When I leave Britain it will be as a climate, cultural and lifestyle migrant, not as an employment and economic one.

There’s a glorious satirical comedy drama to be made, set five years into the future, revolving around the efforts of middle-class Brits trying to smuggle themselves into the backs of trucks queueing outside Dover at night, in an attempt to get covertly into fortress EU and thence to Tuscany or Provence, to Andalusia or the Algarve.

I don’t know if I’ll ever get to see Ian La Frenais again, now, but if I do, I’ll suggest it to him. :grinheart

I don't think that the EU is going to stop our wealthy pensioners from spending there money in the EU any time soon.
I can always visit my farther in southern Spain if the weather gets to cold here,he normally spends 6 months there.
I really can't see how spelling correctly can help fathom the departure from the EU out,as a dyslexic I am well aware that most of the best products used today have been designed by dyslexic folk who will never have the fortunate genetics to be able to spell correctly but are no less intelligent because of it.
Steve jobs,Richard Branson and countless others.
But I do agree that the only way to to see the outcome of brexit is to see the results afterwards,many folks agree that it's unlikely to be as bad as the government said.
We will just have to see what happens.
In any event we will always have strong links with Europe as this is in both our interests.

Sosumi

stevegrass777 wrote: »

I don't think that the EU is going to stop our wealthy pensioners from spending there money in the EU any time soon.
I can always visit my farther in southern Spain if the weather gets to cold here,he normally spends 6 months there.
I really can't see how spelling correctly can help fathom the departure from the EU out,as a dyslexic I am well aware that most of the best products used today have been designed by dyslexic folk who will never have the fortunate genetics to be able to spell correctly but are no less intelligent because of it.
Steve jobs,Richard Branson and countless others.
But I do agree that the only way to to see the outcome of brexit is to see the results afterwards,many folks agree that it's unlikely to be as bad as the government said.
We will just have to see what happens.
In any event we will always have strong links with Europe as this is in both our interests.

The “not as bad as” is the worrying bit.

It’s a subconscious admission that things will, at the very least, be bad.

Mention of links with Europe prompts me to wonder whether or not the EU will now regard maintaining the Channel Tunnel as being worthwhile. I fear that may depend upon how many new European-built cars will be sent to Britain through it.

But we really ought to get back to the topic of the thread, now.