F&W News : Brexit vote pushing up household energy bills, claim experts

fredandwilma

Sosumi wrote: »

There’s a glorious satirical comedy drama to be made, set five years into the future, revolving around the efforts of middle-class Brits trying to smuggle themselves into the backs of trucks queueing outside Dover at night, in an attempt to get covertly into fortress EU and thence to Tuscany or Provence, to Andalusia or the Algarve.

Can't wait :rotfl:

Sosumi wrote: »

But we really ought to get back to the topic of the thread, now.

According to This is Money 3 days ago :-


http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1607475/Energy-bills-As-prices-rise-winter-really-worth-switching-best-fixed-rate-deals.html

Meanwhile falling wholesale prices are finally filtering through and smaller energy suppliers are rocking the market, forcing increasingly competitive deals.

This means there has never been a better time to switch to a new provider and save money on fuel bills. Those stuck on expensive legacy deals could stand to save as much as £300 a year.

It's no use to me unless they can save me a minimum of £140 year, which i know they can't.


Still, only 4 days, 22 Hours and some minutes until "Big Switch Event 5." I'm very interested to see what is on offer.

Sosumi

fredandwilma wrote: »

It's no use to me unless they can save me a minimum of £140 year, which i know they can't.

Not forgetting the 1,500 Tesco Clubcard points annually and £60 in Early Exit Fees it would cost to switch away from E.ON.

fredandwilma

Sosumi wrote: »

Not forgetting the 1,500 Tesco Clubcard points annually and £60 in Early Exit Fees it would cost to switch away from E.ON.

I did say a minimum of £140.


Only 3 days, 9 hours and 43 mins to go to The Big Switch Event 5. :money:

molerat

Can E.ON really pull a good one out for the collective ? Currently their cheapest deal for me is £404 dearer than I currently pay on my E.ON/EDF tariffs. Their unit price for gas is almost double what I am currently paying with EDF. The cheapest on the market is £84 more.

Sosumi

fredandwilma wrote: »

I did say a minimum of £140.

Only 3 days, 9 hours and 43 mins to go to The Big Switch Event 5.

I know.

Nonetheless, as a fellow watcher of this much heralded hullabaloo from the remaining 22 month seats of E.ON’s private box in the grandstand, with a £60 turnstile on the way out unless I stay to the end of the match, I have to admit (remaining true to the topic of your noble thread) that I am greatly more fascinated in waiting to see the outcome of the Supreme Court’s deliberations, in October or November, as to whether the First Lord (currently, Lady) of the Treasury has the legal and constitutional right, under Royal Prerogative, to press the nuclear button on Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty without first seeking the consent of (the hitherto Europhile disposed) Parliament.

That one is a currently submerged mine in the uncharted waters we are navigating and one which could create an even more unexpected and seismic surprise than the result of the EU Referendum itself.

If nothing else, it will be a ballistic bonanza for lawyers and incur costs approaching the scale of Jean-Claude Wançker’s expenses claims for luncheon.

Extensions to villas in Tuscany are already being planned and Italian builders are rubbing their hands with glee. :money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36834743

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-legality-challenged-in-court-judicial-review-eu-referendum-a7144171.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/government-awaits-first-legal-opposition-to-brexit-in-high-court

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/08/british-expats-challenge-eu-head-over-claim-he-banned-negotiations-with-uk-over-brexit

molerat wrote: »

Can E.ON really pull a good one out for the collective ? Currently their cheapest deal for me is £404 dearer than I currently pay on my E.ON/EDF tariffs. Their unit price for gas is almost double what I am currently paying with EDF. The cheapest on the market is £84 more.

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E.ON - Evens
British Gas – 2 to 1
nPower – 5 to 2
First Utility - 3 to 1
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Spanish Power - 4 to 1
EDF - 5 to 1
The Field - 11 to 1

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fredandwilma

Sosumi wrote: »

I know.

Nonetheless, as a fellow watcher of this much heralded hullabaloo from the remaining 22 month seats of E.ON’s private box in the grandstand, with a £60 turnstile on the way out unless I stay to the end of the match, I have to admit (remaining true to the topic of your noble thread) that I am greatly more fascinated in waiting to see the outcome of the Supreme Court’s deliberations, in October or November, as to whether the First Lord (currently, Lady) of the Treasury has the legal and constitutional right, under Royal Prerogative, to press the nuclear button on Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty without first seeking the consent of (the hitherto Europhile disposed) Parliament.

That one is a currently submerged mine in the uncharted waters we are navigating and one which could create an even more unexpected and seismic surprise than the result of the EU Referendum itself.

If nothing else, it will be a ballistic bonanza for lawyers and incur costs approaching the scale of Jean-Claude Wançker’s expenses claims for luncheon.

Extensions to villas in Tuscany are already being planned and Italian builders are rubbing their hands with glee. :money:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36834743

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-legality-challenged-in-court-judicial-review-eu-referendum-a7144171.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/government-awaits-first-legal-opposition-to-brexit-in-high-court

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/08/british-expats-challenge-eu-head-over-claim-he-banned-negotiations-with-uk-over-brexit

The Shifty Martin Useful Little Earner Stakes
Sponsored by MSM Anal Advertising

Venue – MSE

Start – Tuesday, at 9:00 am

Admission – By Invitation Only (Restricted to 10 million)

Stewards – OFGEM

Going - Lucrative :money:

Current Odds:-

E.ON - Evens
British Gas – 2 to 1
nPower – 5 to 2
First Utility - 3 to 1
Extra Energy - 7 to 2
Spanish Power - 4 to 1
EDF - 5 to 1
The Field - 11 to 1

NB. Online betting only – no telephone support.

Sosumi - you crack me up.


Although i think you sometimes don't arf push the boundaries on how you say things, (or how it comes across,) i think it's a shame so many people have supposedly put you on their ignore list. They don't know what they're missing.

This is the funniest post ( as in hilarious,) i have seen on MSE, and thank you for making me laugh so much. :rotfl:

You have the same sense of humour / wit as me and it's a shame people just don't "get it?"


I hereby nominate Sosumi for the comedian of the year award.


PS - I haven't read any of the links, yet. Another time.


Too busy laughing at this :rotfl:

Admission – By Invitation Only (Restricted to 10 million)

Sosumi

Thank you.

You should read those four links, though.

Consider what the situation will be if the Supreme Court rules that Mother Theresa doesn’t have the legal and constitutional right to trigger Article 50 without the consent of Parliament. A Parliament which, at the last reckoning was over 60% in favour of remaining within the EU. And a Parliament in which all three main parties are officially committed to a policy of remaining within the EU.

The EU Referendum had only “advisory” status and was in no way binding.

Nor can they call a second EU Referendum without Fishwoman demanding (with some justification) the right to another one for the haggis mob – which, in all probability would then result in the dismantling of the United Kingdom itself.

The only thing holding the lid on the whole situation is a determination to press ahead and detonate the A50 bomb without giving anyone the right to vote on anything until after that’s happened.

(Note that I’m not expressing an opinion, here, upon whom should have voted for what, nor upon what should happen next: I’m merely pointing out what the political and constitutional situation actually is, right now.)



In its own small way, the result of Martin-on-the-Make’s energy supply auction will be quite interesting, too. In my region, and for my household’s consumption, he’s going to be hard put to find anyone prepared to undercut SSE’s v8 or BG’s “Sainsbury” September 2017 Fix in a rising market.

E.ON and EDF might well have decided that there’s a limit on how low they’re prepared to go when they have to pay “Typical” sixty quid a time to give their own existing customers a massively cheaper tariff.

The likeliest scenario, perhaps, is that BG will offer yet another huge loss-leader, in a continuing attempt to replace its haemorrhage of disaffected customers, or that an attempt will be made to put an acceptable new mask on the face of one or other of the gang languishing persistently at the bottom of the OFGEM customer satisfaction list.

MSM does, after all, seem to get very excited about bottoms.



EDIT: Before I am accused, next, of being “racist” towards our fellow Britons north of the border, I should, perhaps, make it clear that I am half-Scottish myself. Both my mother’s parents were Aberdonians of many generations standing. So, I claim the right that gives me to be flippantly derogatory about the people of both our (my) countries. With the Welsh and the Northern Irish I have no such immunity and am dutifully more circumspect in what I write.

fredandwilma

Sosumi wrote: »

Thank you.

You should read those four links, though.


Done

Sosumi wrote: »

Consider what the situation will be if the Supreme Court rules that Mother Theresa doesn’t have the legal and constitutional right to trigger Article 50 without the consent of Parliament. A Parliament which, at the last reckoning was over 60% in favour of remaining within the EU. And a Parliament in which all three main parties are officially committed to a policy of remaining within the EU.

The EU Referendum had only “advisory” status and was in no way binding.

Parliament decides to remain in the EU against Public opinion. I can't see it happening. Political insanity for all parties. Ask the people of this country what they want and then just ignore it? ( it's a rhetorical question.)

Sosumi wrote: »

Nor can they call a second EU Referendum without Fishwoman demanding (with some justification) the right to another one for the haggis mob – which, in all probability would then result in the dismantling of the United Kingdom itself.

I think that's unlikely. She has her own problems right now. The Lady in red is going to sink rather than swim? It's gone very quiet on that front.

In its own small way, the result of Martin-on-the-Make’s energy supply auction will be quite interesting, too. In my region, and for my household’s consumption, he’s going to be hard put to find anyone prepared to undercut SSE’s v8 or BG’s “Sainsbury” September 2017 Fix in a rising market.

E.ON and EDF might well have decided that there’s a limit on how low they’re prepared to go when they have to pay “Typical” sixty quid a time to give their own existing customers a massively cheaper tariff.

The likeliest scenario, perhaps, is that BG will offer yet another huge loss-leader, in a continuing attempt to replace its haemorrhage of disaffected customers, or that an attempt will be made to put an acceptable new mask on the face of one or othar of the gang languishing persistently at the bottom of the OFGEM customer satisfaction list.

MSM does, after all, seem to get very excited about bottoms

You did forget additional (online) odds :-

5/2 :money: Procures a market leading deal

100/1 :money: Doesn't procure a market leading deal


Alternatively :-

5/2 :money: Doesn't procure a market leading deal

100/1 :money: Procures a market leading deal

It's all relative, of course


One day, 17 hours and 50 mins to go

Sosumi

Rather than point out what happens when Americans are allowed to vote for what the Republican Party consistently regards as people fit to be President, a Europhile minded Parliament might choose to be diplomatic and argue, instead, that the situation has moved on since last June and that the downside of leaving the European Union and the practical problems involved in, and arising from, doing so are now more apparent. To a degree that justifies not implementing the result of the EU Referendum.

I don’t know and I’m not taking sides. The thing is, though, why would the applicants to the court be bothering to seek a ruling that the matter must be referred to Parliament for debate and a vote if they did not believe that Parliament would refuse to approve secession from the European Union? Or at least until Parliament had decided that certain conditions had to be met and agreed with the EU before it would give its assent to invoking Article 50.

I think very few of them are motivated simply by the pure and narrow academic desire to establish a constitutional point of procedure.

fredandwilma wrote: »

You did forget additional (online) odds :-

5/2 :money: Procures a market leading deal

100/1 :money: Doesn't procure a market leading deal


Alternatively :-

5/2 :money: Doesn't procure a market leading deal

100/1 :money: Procures a market leading deal

It's all relative, of course


One day, 17 hours and 50 mins to go

I didn’t forget it. The competitiveness (and relativity) of the offer(s) derive from the regionality of where one actually lives and from how much of which energies one actually consumes. Which is why I omitted it.

We can be sure of one thing, though. It will all be couched in repeated (and meaningless) terms of “the typical consumer” and “the average household”. Neither of which, in practice, exist. (As you and I both realise. :cool: )

fredandwilma

Sosumi wrote: »

We can be sure of one thing, though. It will all be couched in repeated (and meaningless) terms of “the typical consumer” and “the average household”. Neither of which, in practice, exist. (As you and I both realise. :cool: )

People will still look at the Direct Debit amount they will pay and don't see beyond that, either.


I note from :-

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2016/09/fixed-rate-energy-customers-face-huge-price-hikes-when-deal-ends?_ga=1.61302692.940400317.1472979182


I didn't switch to the E.on MSM fixed 1 Year Collective March 2016 so even with the cashback, V19 must have been considerably cheaper than the MSE collective, at that time.