I will knock you out ! BBCs Jeremy Vine films woman driver`s shocking road rage

Cycrow

Unfortuatlly many drivers dont even car how fast you are going.

i've gone down a single lane one way road, which parked cars all the way along. There was no room for a car to overtake, yet even doing 25mph when the limit is 20, i still had the car behind me beeping at me the whole way down the road.

i was also right behind the car infront of me, so even if i wasn't there, they would still be going the same speed.

then when the road opened up at the junction, he pulled up along side and said he would kill me next time i do that

The most annoying part, is that the road runs parallel to a 3-lane bypass, with a 70 limit. So no idea why they chose to go down a 20mph narrow road when they could have just got on the bypass

hugheskevi

It is courteous to move over if you are unreasonably delaying someone but in this case the delay would have been very minor and for a short distance and therefor reasonable. At the end of the video the car and cyclist are next to each other which shows the time gained by passing the cyclist is zero.

Absolutely - this is central London in the middle of the day. Cars will be moving at an average speed of around 8mph. Even a slow cyclist will easily exceed this average speed. As the video shows, the cyclist will rapidly catch the car and go past it as soon as the car encounters traffic and has to be stationary/very slow.

Even on roads a few miles out from the centre of London the same applies - cars may be able to get past and get maybe 500 metres or so ahead, then encounter traffic waiting for lights and cyclists will filter past them and be faster. On my 8 mile commute into central London I will take about 30-35 mins by bike and over an hour by car.

So why so many drivers think cyclists are 'holding them up' in London is beyond me - the cyclist is going at twice their average speed and is a fraction of their size. It is pretty obvious who is causing the holding-up, but as a majority group many car drivers will not accept this and instead look to blame an outside group - there are articles such as this one written on this psychological effect.

chiefnoodle

Mr_Toad wrote: »

Why should a cyclist be expected to stop or ride in the gutter to let other road users with a sense of entitlement get past. Their journey is no less important than anyone elses.

If you look at the clip you'll see there's a long stretch with no parked cars, just ahead of where the camera cuts. Had he gone to the side then she could've overtaken easily. Are you seriously telling me that in such a situation its not common courtesy to go to the side of the road to let the car pass, just because the cyclists journey is equally important

custardy

chiefnoodle wrote: »

If you look at the clip you'll see there's a long stretch with no parked cars, just ahead of where the camera cuts. Had he gone to the side then she could've overtaken easily. Are you seriously telling me that in such a situation its not common courtesy to go to the side of the road to let the car pass, just because the cyclists journey is equally important

Common sense would tell a car drive in those roads they wont gain any time with aggressive driving.
demonstrated by her sitting at a junction as the cyclist catches up.

Mr_Toad

chiefnoodle wrote: »

If you look at the clip you'll see there's a long stretch with no parked cars, just ahead of where the camera cuts. Had he gone to the side then she could've overtaken easily. Are you seriously telling me that in such a situation its not common courtesy to go to the side of the road to let the car pass, just because the cyclists journey is equally important

Are you seriously telling us that it's not common courtesy for a car to wait until it can pass without requiring a cyclist to either stop their equally important journey or making them ride in the gutter!

Or perhaps you think courtesy is a one sided affair where others show courtesy to you but you show none to others. This is precisely the sort of self entitlement I was talking about in my original post.

hugheskevi

If you look at the clip you'll see there's a long stretch with no parked cars, just ahead of where the camera cuts. Had he gone to the side then she could've overtaken easily. Are you seriously telling me that in such a situation its not common courtesy to go to the side of the road to let the car pass, just because the cyclists journey is equally important

If cyclist moves left and the car overtakes, the car will reach the end of the street and the cyclist will filter past the car either as the car waits to turn into traffic or as the car is stuck in heavy traffic on the main road. What is the point of moving aside just to enable the car to get ahead for what will literally be about 20 metres of distance and 10 seconds of time before the cyclist moves back in front?

There is absolutely no point in the car overtaking, it is the slower vehicle in these traffic conditions.

It can also be dangerous to move left in these sort of conditions, as the cyclist probably does not know that there is a single vehicle behind him. If he moves left it is common that although one car can easily overtake, a second vehicle behind that car would then similarly decide to overtake and not give the cyclist space to move back right to be in position to get past the next set of cars. That can have a variety of results, ranging from the second driver ranting that the cyclist cut them up as they moved back right to the cyclist coming to an abrupt halt to let the second vehicle past.

Surely the most appropriate riding and driving in this situation is for all parties to hold a steady and predictable line. No need for unnecessary moving, no need for pointless overtakes, and all parties get to their destination in the fastest and safest way possible?

Keep_pedalling

If you think she was bad, you need to see this idiot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-37288210

chiefnoodle

Mr_Toad wrote: »

Are you seriously telling us that it's not common courtesy for a car to wait until it can pass without requiring a cyclist to either stop their equally important journey or making them ride in the gutter!

Not sure what you mean by the gutter. Are you using that particular word to try and imply there's something demeaning about cycling near the kerb so that cars can pass. Are you worried the bike will fall down a drain or something. What exactly is the big deal of cycling on the side of the road. (I understand that if the only other option is for the cyclist to stop then one couldn't expect this of him.)

And yes, if there was a cyclist ahead of a car who insisted on riding in the middle of the road, then it would still be common courtesy for the motorist to wait for them, regardless of the fact that the cyclist could ride on the side. I never intended to side with the motorist in this clip, I made the opposite clear.

I was just trying to say that Vine's behaviour was a little surprising, which made me wonder if he was trying to find someone to bait so he could get a good video. Cycling to work every day and doing things like not moving to the side when this can easily be done, its only a matter of time before you meet someone who flies off the handle, hey presto lots of publicity.

googler

chiefnoodle wrote: »

Its perfectly reasonable for a cyclist not to hold up a motorist but to let them pass at the earliest opportunity. Whether you have to legally or not, if its a long road its common courtesy.

So you expect him to find a space to stop, between the parked cars, just because the car behind him wants to reach the next junction a bit sooner? For, as you can see, Vine caught up with her at that point....

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chiefnoodle wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by the gutter. Are you using that particular word to try and imply there's something demeaning about cycling near the kerb so that cars can pass. Are you worried the bike will fall down a drain or something. What exactly is the big deal of cycling on the side of the road. (I understand that if the only other option is for the cyclist to stop then one couldn't expect this of him.)

And yes, if there was a cyclist ahead of a car who insisted on riding in the middle of the road, then it would still be common courtesy for the motorist to wait for them, regardless of the fact that the cyclist could ride on the side. I never intended to side with the motorist in this clip, I made the opposite clear.

I was just trying to say that Vine's behaviour was a little surprising, which made me wonder if he was trying to find someone to bait so he could get a good video. Cycling to work every day and doing things like not moving to the side when this can easily be done, its only a matter of time before you meet someone who flies off the handle, hey presto lots of publicity.

You give away the fact that you have never ridden a bike much lately . If you had actually sat on a bike and had a peddle along the road, any road, you would see all the damage and drain grates and pot holes which exist very close to the kerbs.The roads are in the worst condition very close to the left hand kerbs plus we have the danger of hitting a peddle on the kerb itself which could throw us into the path of a car behind.That is why we must give the kerbs a bit of a wide birth, just as we have to do with a car door suddenly opening, so we have to pass by a metre or so to avoid possibly becoming another cycling death/injury.
" Vines behaviour "..Its "Jeremy " thank you ! the guy who everyone loved on Strictly Come Dancing because of his good manners and ever smiling demeanour even though he was an appalling dancer.
It sounds like you are the token apologist for the motorist on this thread.( Its usually Jonny100) .Jeremy had done nothing wrong whatsoever to justify her behaviour with her imaginary gun ! He was minding his own business travelling faster than she could have managed and hopefully we will see a sizeable fine for this lying woman who also fiddled her road tax as well. The Magistrate will give her a fine to think twice and calm down the next time someone annoys her on the public road.