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Herzlos

The_Deep wrote: »

PPCs tend to prey on the gullible, the lazy. the stupid and the corrupt. This is not such a big deal as some make out.

They tend to pray on the fragile and struggling. How many posts do we see about the elderly or disabled being hounded Vs those too lazy to park properly?

There's definitely worse things out there, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem here to address.

Hopefully we can filter a lot of this stuff out via better guides, even if we need to do it via some sort of interactive web-page that spells it out.

The_Deep

How many posts do we see about the elderly or disabled being hounded Vs those too lazy to park properly?

I do not follow, are you suggesting that PPCs know who these people are and deliberately target them? How?

The very vulnerable, those with Alzheimers or poor eyesight will not be allowed to drive anyway. you do not need to be old to be stupid.

I say that we should reduce our help to the lazy, the bilkers, and the confused, and concentrate on educating them in the benefits of self help.

Why should we enable punters who persistently park on private land against the wishes of the land owner to get off scot free?

System

Cag is not the only source of mis-information, MSE is just as bad.

Glad you agree with me TD.

HO87

The_Deep wrote: »

And quite where are these resources?

Where, all over the net, in public libraries, in the pages of WHICH?, professional journals, TV documentaries.

You have missed out one that I use frequently, HMG's websites. Also, many solicitors websites contain a lot of usual information.

Cag is not the only source of mis-information, MSE is just as bad. Read some of the advice given on the renting, letting, and buying property boards, also the consumer advice offered by some posters is woefully out of date.

What has the SRA done? Well, it has banned a huge number of dodgy solicitors, 174 pages of them here.

http://www.solicitorstribunal.org.uk/search/JudgementSearch.aspx

PPCs tend to affect the gullible, the lazy. the stupid and the corrupt. This is not such a big deal as some make out.

Were your earlier comments aimed at scam companies in general rather than PPC's specifically?

Forgive me for having made the assumption that because you were posting in the private parking forum that your comments were more narrowly focused. With that in mind I repeat the question: Where, other than the forums already set out, are the resources you talk of? I am genuinely interested to learn. Having been around this park for over 10 years I have yet to find anything at all - beyond the forums - that provides anything other than the most generally and sometimes dangerously misleading information - and that is from semi-official sources.

Herzlos

The_Deep wrote: »

I do not follow, are you suggesting that PPCs know who these people are and deliberately target them? How?

By reducing free parking limits beyond those reasonable for people with mobility problems, and watching people with mobility problems hobble from car to shop before slapping them with tickets.

I don't think it's for us to judge which posters are "genuine or not", and we should be trying to provide advice to all in the most efficient way for us.

In any case, why would we want to help the PPCs, who by all rights should be shut down, and the easiest way to do that is to deny them income.

Just because this guy shouldn't have parked there, does that mean VCS are actually entitled to £6000? Did they do anything to earn it and follow the rules?
I'd have no objection to him donating the 'fees' to a charity or agreeing a settlement with the landowner, but why should VCS profit from running an entrapment scam?

The_Deep

I don't think it's for us to judge which posters are "genuine or not",

Who mentioned "genuine", I am sure that nearly all genuine, but some are genuine bilkers, genuinely stupid, and genuinely lazy.

and we should be trying to provide advice to all in the most
efficient way for us.

I agree, but do you not think that that is by helping them to help themselves?

Just because this guy shouldn't have parked there, does that mean VCS are actually entitled to £6000?

Of course not, but that is surely a matter for a judge. This chap has flagrantly ignored a landowners wishes, he should be made to pay something fort his hubris, even it is only a fat solicitor's bill.

Until we installed bollards, one of my tenants was constantly deprived of his parking space by bilkers. The management debated appointing a PPC, but I dissuaded them.

Herzlos

I agree that we should be helping people help themselves. We really need to improve the guides so that people don't ask stupid questions.

I disagree that he was flagrantly ignoring landowner wishes - we've only seen the actions of a dodgy agent, we've no idea what the landlord wants the space used for except that they haven't chained it off to prevent parking. It could be that the landowner wants the space kept for genuine customers during office hours and doesn't care if someone wants to park at 3am.
It's also got nothing to do with a judge - VCS isn't owed any money from a driver who isn't liable, and especially not since they aren't even doing their job which is notionally to manage parking. Why, if this guy parked there so regularly, has the VCS agent never told him to move on? The tickets are being issued overnight so the VCS agent is most likely aware of him parking.

You're making assumptions, and have a heavy bias in that regard, as a landlord with a "bilking" problem.

bod1467

Herzlos wrote: »

I agree that we should be helping people help themselves. We really need to improve the guides so that people don't ask stupid questions.

Some still will ... they'll be the stupid or lazy ones TD refers to.

Redx

HO87 wrote: »

With that in mind I repeat the question: Where, other than the forums already set out, are the resources you talk of? I am genuinely interested to learn. Having been around this park for over 10 years I have yet to find anything at all - beyond the forums - that provides anything other than the most generally and sometimes dangerously misleading information - and that is from semi-official sources.

yes, like this outdated one here

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets

The_Deep

Having been around this park for over 10 years I have yet to find anything at all ... that provides anything other than the most generally and sometimes dangerously misleading information - and that is from semi-official sources.

Perhaps HO you should be looking at official sources.

If you want to holiday in Thailand, go here

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/Thailand

If you want to adopt a child, go here

http://www.afteradoption.org.uk/?gclid=CNTE6YCB7M4CFVRsGwodxfcOXw,

There is nothing that the average person who finds himself in need cannot find out with the help of the internet.