Labour want to ignore the will of the people...

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Why? The way we Brexit.... Thesort of deal we get needs to be voted on. As a Labour supporter Im hardly going to accept a deal reached by the Tories loons Fox, Davies and Boris.

70% of core labour areas voted to leave. If arrogant liberals like Smith try and tell them they voted the wrong way, implying they need to swap thier ignorance for smug liberal enlightenment, watch Labour evaporate like the pious Libdums.

Thrugelmir

Conrad wrote: »

70% of core labour areas voted to leave. If arrogant liberals like Smith try and tell them they voted the wrong way, implying they need to swap thier ignorance for smug liberal enlightenment, watch Labour evaporate like the pious Libdums.

Wouldn't call Smith liberal. Only marginally right of Corbyn. So most certainly socialist in thinking.

posh*spice

Moby wrote: »

Why? The way we Brexit.... Thesort of deal we get needs to be voted on. As a Labour supporter Im hardly going to accept a deal reached by the Tories loons Fox, Davies and Boris.

Please. LP finished. no influlunce. EVER.

posh*spice

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

Hard luck, you won't get the chance to disagree.

Because Corbyn is a useless.... Can't even get a seat on a train....yet he wanrs to run the country :rotfl:

posh*spice

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU cannot impose. Why would it. Has more to lose than gain.

Indeed.Buy British.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Ah I see, so we go round and round arguing over different models for years and all the while the EU just patiently wait until we're good n ready?

And if the EU detects fluidity and weakness, this undermines our efforts at the deal making table, and keeps business in limbo for an extended period, mmm, so I do not think Smithy has thought this through.

I agree that arguing over different models for years is not practical.

But I do think there is benefit in Parliament or the Commons agreeing on a choice between having a close relationship with the EU or a very detatched one. This is surely the next step? I agree we may not get what we decide but at least it defines what the nation wants from Brexit.

Or put it another way suppose May agrees a deal in which we technically leave the EU but remain in the EEA and have a limited version of freedom of movement? I would be quite happy but I imagine UKIP supporters will see it as a betrayal of the result even if technically the deal sees us Brexit?

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

But I do think there is benefit in Parliament or the Commons agreeing on a choice between having a close relationship with the EU or a very detatched one. This is surely the next step? I agree we may not get what we decide but at least it defines what the nation wants from Brexit.

What's changed? Other than the politics. Life carries on.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's changed? Other than the politics. Life carries on.

It does but what is your view of this scenario.....?

Or put it another way suppose May agrees a deal in which we technically leave the EU but remain in the EEA and have a limited version of freedom of movement? I would be quite happy but I imagine UKIP supporters will see it as a betrayal of the result even if technically the deal sees us Brexit?

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

And if the loosing side once more disputes the result, we go on and on, a neverendum which business, the Eu and the British people will not tolerate.

Trust me, we're leaving no matter how much the sore looser arrogant liberal class bleats

You seem to assume that a second referendum would be about whether to leave or remain? That decision is made. What needs resolution is the kind of relationship we have outside the EU with the EU.You seem to be fighting a battle you have already won. This is not about repeating the original questions.

Thrugelmir

Immigration was the key issue in deciding the vote. There's no middle ground as Cameron found out. Totally non-negotiable.

We don't need to buy French agricultural produce, site outsourcing in Poland, buy Italian wine or buy German cars. Even holiday in the EU. The EU is suffering economically as it is. The UK importing from or spending money elsewhere will simply make things worse for some EU member states.

The CEO of Majestic wines has said they will simply import wine in bulk and bottle in the UK. The impact of any tariffs would at worst amount to 2% of the price of a bottle.