An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

Conrad

Bugs let one of my Brothers is a trucker and very unhappy. He's always been right wing, but he called me in one of his depressive moods this week to say he thinks he might as well through his lot in with Corbyn ( but he detests mass immigration and Labours victim making wanton welfare concepts).

He's been saying for a while he hunks people like his boss, owner of the small haulier, should pay themselves less and the drivers more. He feels owners of capital and assets such as the Lorries and property, hold an unfair advantage.

He is recently divorced and so cannot save a deposit on a new place and his ex refuses to sell the house or give him any equity. Forget the law it's all on her side, he's been down that dark alley.

Anyway his raging against holders of capital did strike me as a real call of desperation I have some sympathy with.

As he he says, he works damned hard, very long hours and makes about £40k, but has nothing left after bills rent and ex are paid and even without paying the ex hed not have enough left to scrape together a deposit, that he resents me (with love) owning other properties that poorer people pay the mortgages on.

I pointed out at least I get my hands dirty. The easy thing to do is put money in a pension and let the fund managers do my dirty work, that is to say buy the shares that sponge off the backs of workers to build a pension pot


But his new found socialism falls apart as soon as you interrogate it. For example I asked him if his boss always earned less, he'd have saved less and been less able to expand the firm by buying trucks and a large yard and thus would have employed fewer people


I asked him how socialism would work for Eddy Izzard? Would Izzard pay himself a lot less of his stage appearance fee and share it with his makeup artist? I bet he'd find a way around it such as setting up a consultancy company whereby he charges himself to advise himself thus does not have to pay himself less in reality

My worry about socialism is it won't work in practice. Rich people like Rowling and Geldoff will not carry on producing art or work only to hand it over to others, they just wont

markharding557

westernpromise wrote: »

What Corbynised economy?

Corbynised economy = knackered economy:D

bugslet

Conrad wrote: »

Bugs let one of my Brothers is a trucker and very unhappy. He's always been right wing, but he called me in one of his depressive moods this week to say he thinks he might as well through his lot in with Corbyn ( but he detests mass immigration and Labours victim making wanton welfare concepts).

He's been saying for a while he hunks people like his boss, owner of the small haulier, should pay themselves less and the drivers more. He feels owners of capital and assets such as the Lorries and property, hold an unfair advantage.

He is recently divorced and so cannot save a deposit on a new place and his ex refuses to sell the house or give him any equity. Forget the law it's all on her side, he's been down that dark alley.

Anyway his raging against holders of capital did strike me as a real call of desperation I have some sympathy with.

As he he says, he works damned hard, very long hours and makes about £40k, but has nothing left after bills rent and ex are paid and even without paying the ex hed not have enough left to scrape together a deposit, that he resents me (with love) owning other properties that poorer people pay the mortgages on.

I pointed out at least I get my hands dirty. The easy thing to do is put money in a pension and let the fund managers do my dirty work, that is to say buy the shares that sponge off the backs of workers to build a pension pot


But his new found socialism falls apart as soon as you interrogate it. For example I asked him if his boss always earned less, he'd have saved less and been less able to expand the firm by buying trucks and a large yard and thus would have employed fewer people


I asked him how socialism would work for Eddy Izzard? Would Izzard pay himself a lot less of his stage appearance fee and share it with his makeup artist? I bet he'd find a way around it such as setting up a consultancy company whereby he charges himself to advise himself thus does not have to pay himself less in reality

My worry about socialism is it won't work in practice. Rich people like Rowling and Geldoff will not carry on producing art or work only to hand it over to others, they just wont

I say this in all seriousness, he needs to find a new woman - I've seen it with my lot, miserable as ****, new woman in their lives and it's all fluffy kittens and rainbows! Oddly one of my lads was in a very similar position re his ex and he lost a lot of money to her - it did seem very very unfair at the time. I suspect your bro is brassic and blaming everyone whilst in a low place.

Does he actually know what his boss earns? Maybe he earns double your brother, maybe the same, maybe less - he'd not be the first haulier to earn less.

Ultimately your brother has chosen to be a truck driver and not to start a haulage firm. Not that I could recommend doing so, at least not without a partial lobotomy:rotfl:. As you do, I have sympathy with him to a degree, but I think his ire would be better directed ( certainly in the case of small hauliers) to divorce law and a really carp housing market, how anyone affords a house in the south east I do not know.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Bring him on to what? Are you really a centre ground moderate......? :rotfl:
Love this thread. Rugged isn't it time for you to poke these small business tory types again:rotfl: You stir 'em up and sit back and watch the freak show. Looking forward to another round of boomer invective and hate;). He's playing you folks and you cant resist it. I think its due to repressed self centredness and guilt over your boomer appropriation of resources............that you worked so hard for........by sleeping in cars and not taking a wage from your businesses while paying your employees oodles of money.................purleeeeese. That one made me choke on my coffee.....it was hilarious.:rotfl:

I'm enjoying the debate. I don't really get to meet momentum types in RL, any more than you get to seem to meet RL business people. And yes some business people do make tremendous sacrifices to get their businesses of the ground.... not sure why that is funny - but there you go....

PS I work in big business but I come from a family that run a lot of small businesses and it can be really tough....again not sure why that is funny? I know for a fact that there are times when my brother who runs a business linked to construction has taken no salary in order to continue to pay his 15 employees who all rely on him (as do their families). Again not sure why this is funny? You labour folk do seem to be divorced from reality tbh. Nevertheless, I like debating with you as I get to read a different pov.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Bugs let one of my Brothers is a trucker and very unhappy. He's always been right wing, but he called me in one of his depressive moods this week to say he thinks he might as well through his lot in with Corbyn ( but he detests mass immigration and Labours victim making wanton welfare concepts).

2 big mistakes Corbyn made this week that will cost him - pledging to spend £500 billion on pet projects and saying that he wouldn't cut immigration...brainless....

Fella

bugslet wrote: »

Fella's assertion that business arises when someone who is well-paid takes on an employee, is not a model I recognise, but I'm not familiar with every business model only my own sector.

It's quite possible I'm being subjective because that's exactly what I did (was an IT guy who started up a little company of IT guys). It seems to be what other people I know (some pals who also run little IT shops, plumbers, a guy who makes bespoke curtains, various bits). All of them were sole traders who started to get more business than they could handle & so started to take on employees etc. My point is really that to pay somebody £10/hour they have to be generating a lot more revenue than somebody who's never run a business realises. We actually paid our guys more than that but it's not difficult for an IT guy to generate a lot of revenue for you. I'm not sure how true that would be for a lot of other businesses.

setmefree2

setmefree2 wrote: »

2 big mistakes Corbyn made this week that will cost him - pledging to spend £500 billion on pet projects and saying that he wouldn't cut immigration...brainless....

I'm guessing Corbyn is intending to invite a lot of refuges to the UK a la Merkel....

....thoughts?

Malthusian

It costs him nothing, he was unelectable before and he's unelectable now. But it does play well with the comrades who think that the revolution is just around the corner. They love the idea of giving the white working class a bloody nose as punishment for voting Brexit, even if it is only in fantasy.

In their minds, the fact that the leader of the "opposition" is talking about renationalisation of key industries, a massive increase in the size of the state and mass immigration represents the grand dawning of a new era, the end of 40 years of false consciousness. The fact that this new era exists only in their own heads, and everyone outside their village hall is laughing at them, does not enter their minds.

bugslet

Fella wrote: »

It's quite possible I'm being subjective because that's exactly what I did (was an IT guy who started up a little company of IT guys). It seems to be what other people I know (some pals who also run little IT shops, plumbers, a guy who makes bespoke curtains, various bits). All of them were sole traders who started to get more business than they could handle & so started to take on employees etc. My point is really that to pay somebody £10/hour they have to be generating a lot more revenue than somebody who's never run a business realises. We actually paid our guys more than that but it's not difficult for an IT guy to generate a lot of revenue for you. I'm not sure how true that would be for a lot of other businesses.

I thought you might be an IT bod Fella:D. In the prehistoric world of trucks, you get a vehicle, half kill yourself whilst paying yourself nothing very much, get more work that would actually involve your death, pray you can get someone to work for average wages, which is still more than you are paying yourself and eventually manage to climb your way up the greasy pole to normality.

If I didn't love trucks so much and hate computers/corporate life, I could have a far better life. I refer you to my previous comments about needing a lobotomy in this business:rotfl:

setmefree2

But a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said he was 'relaxed' about the issue, adding: 'He is not concerned about numbers.'
Labour sources said the size of the migrant impact fund would be based on need – with no limit on the demands imposed on taxpayers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3811307/Hapless-Jeremy-Corbyn-facing-rebellion-shadow-cabinet-saying-NO-curbs-EU-immigration.html

A real vote winner that comment....

...that Magic Money Tree the gift that keeps on giving....