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setmefree2 wrote: »
Further nonsense. When I have complained that the referendum grouped a bunch of disparate views under one "leave" vote which enabled the leave side to win, I'm told that there was only one option on the paper.
Well, it works both ways. The reluctance to make any hard commitments by the leave campaign before the vote means that there was only one stipulation on the paper, leave the EU. Everything else is up negotiation, including remaining in the single market and maintaining freedom of movement. If this makes certain people unhappy, welcome to the the club.0 -
I'm bemused. Isn't restricted immigration plus free access to the market not a total win?0
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Especially if we leave the EU too. Norway PLUS.westernpromise wrote: »I'm bemused. Isn't restricted immigration plus free access to the market not a total win?A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
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Further nonsense. When I have complained that the referendum grouped a bunch of disparate views under one "leave" vote which enabled the leave side to win, I'm told that there was only one option on the referendum.
Well, it works both ways. The reluctance to make any hard commitments by the leave campaign before the vote means that there was only one stipulation on the paper, leave the EU. Everything else is up negotiation, including remaining in the single market and maintaining freedom of movement. If this makes certain people unhappy, welcome to the the club.
Who you you consider that the LEGAL authority to make hard commitments about what 'leave ' meant?0 -
The Commission initiates proposals in its own right as well as on behalf of others, so the term isn't just technical.
http://ec.europa.eu/info/law-making-process/planning-and-proposing-law_en
The Commission publishes a list of planned initiatives for each year the 2016 list is, http://ec.europa.eu/info/files/list-planned-initiatives_en and a number of the list is Commission originated.
So, while the Commission does draft the proposals it also initiates a number of them in its own right.
I don't really know the number of proposals the Commission rejects, but I agree with you that it won't be because of some Machiavellian plot.
I recall reading that many of the EU Commission initiations are effectively the Commission reminding the EP of the need to make law arising from international agreements that the EU has signed.
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_initiative_(legislative) suggests that only 10% of proposed legislation comes from the Commission, but it does not cite a source for that statistic.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
posh*spice wrote: »In the end - it doesn't matter. I and millions of others don't want and NEVER wanted to be part of a United States of Europe. Shame we weren't asked in 1993.
I agree it does not matter if a decision that has a fundamental affect on our country is made based on false information.:)Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
setmefree2 wrote: »
What part of Brexit do these MPs not understand. Being in the EEA is outside of the EU means leaving it for the UK. If the EU decides that the EEA nations do not need to adopt FoM why is that wrong?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Who you you consider that the LEGAL authority to make hard commitments about what 'leave ' meant?
Writing in your second language again!
What are you trying to say?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Who you you consider that the LEGAL authority to make hard commitments about what 'leave ' meant?
I will have a go at what I think you meant.
The Referendum vote was to leave the EU. No more and no less. Any option in which we are outside of the EU is compliant.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
setmefree2 wrote: »And vice versa. What happens if the EU try to get the UK to stay in the EU by offering us a deal on immigration?
You think sovereignty and democracy were a big part of the leave vote whilst I think it was just an immigration thing. At the end of the day it doesn't matter because only one question was asked. There's a mandate to leave and nothing else so any offer to stay in the EU would have to be either turned down or put to the electorate.0
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