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  • Good Luck and hope that when this ends, it will be the final end. Nobody wants to be caught up in neighbour disputes. They can turn awful beyond imagination.
  • pilavas
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    Good Luck and hope that when this ends, it will be the final end. Nobody wants to be caught up in neighbour disputes. They can turn awful beyond imagination.

    I would have let it go, but I feel he would bully me even more If I did that, so have to stand my ground on this matter.
  • I would second/third that point that the argument may not be about what it seems (on the surface) to be about.

    I certainly don't think it was in my own case - but I stuck strictly to acting as if it was about what they were making out officially it was about and answered the points they were actually coming up with (rather than what they "really" meant).

    So - yep..officially it was about the boundary basically and I stuck to only talking about the boundary basically. I just kept repeating things as they were laid down officially in writing in the Title Plan/original Deeds/etc. If the paperwork said it was so = it was so etc.
  • loveka
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    That's brilliant about the police coming. It might just scare him off. Hope so.
  • Davesnave
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    I expect the police may caution him, rather than arrest, but they'll be drawing a line in the sand which he will then only cross at his peril.

    My family had a similar experience with a vexatious neighbour making similar groundless claims, who became very abusive, swearing, banging on cars and doors etc. Much of this was directed at people over 75 yrs.

    Once the police visited, most of that behaviour stopped, although alternative harrassment via sales people for funeral plans, care homes, estate agents etc,etc followed.

    Needless to say, he soon ran out of those!
  • pilavas
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    edited 30 October 2016 at 11:52PM
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    Above picture taken in the 80s Sorry for the bad quality but got better pic in the affidavit.



    Picture taken recently right afer my neighbour decides to remove my fence and you can see the garage clearly.




    Back of the garage as you can see the wall sticks out by 12 inches roughly which he thinks is in his land.


    The damage he has done to my fence and concrete driveway
  • moneyistooshorttomention
    moneyistooshorttomention Posts: 17,940 Forumite
    edited 27 August 2016 at 7:19AM
    Personally - I'm getting a bit confused by the other pictures.

    But the last photo - ie of the yellow garage door tells me where I would regard the boundary as being (in commonsense terms and regardless of what either title plans or recent usage say).

    To me - it's quite clear the boundary lies exactly (to the fraction of an inch) going down the side of your concrete drive. To one side is your concrete drive, to the other side is his brick pathway. His brick pathway matches his brick wall.

    It looks to me as if he can put his wall up though - as the dug-out bit looks like its on his land. He just cant remove any of your garage or drive to do so. I'm not quite sure what the problem is - unless he is planning to try and remove some of your garage or drive in the process of putting the wall there.

    The orange string looks to have been put half way across the width of the dug-out bit. I would say that it ought to be shifted to the right and be running exactly along the side of your drive, as it doesnt look to me like you own half the width of the dug-out bit - so that orange string being where it is is misleading and I would be removing it and placing it exactly along the edge of your drive to get it correct. That orange string belongs exactly touching your garage wall clearly.

    I thought you said he had dug up some of your drive? - your drive looks in one piece and untouched as far as I can see from that photo. He has only dug out on his own ground.

    EDIT; I've gone back through the photos again - and photo 4 is unclear as to whose land the fence is on. Last photo and I am guessing the fence must have been sited on what is now airspace (ie hovering in mid-air over the dugout bit). If that is the case - then it looks as if the fence was his. If the fence was placed over dugout bit by previous owner of your house - then they sited it on his land by the look of it.

    In your position - I would be monitoring closely - but would accept his wall being built right up to and touching my drive (ie because it's his land by the look of it). It does look up to him if he wants to put a wall into that gap - as long as he doesnt damage your drive in the process and it doesnt look as if he has done so so far.
  • Davesnave
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    Money, perhaps you don't realisethat a concrete saw has been used to change the shape of the OP's drive.Picture 3 shows how the neighbour intends to put a kink into the boundary that seems unlikely to have been there in the past.

    If you are confused by the photos, then should you be making judgements about where the boundary ought to be?
  • Madmel
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    And also Money, the garage does not end with the yellow door as you assume. Surely the rendered section with black base is also part of the OP's garage and this lines up with the original fence. I agree with Dave
  • pilavas
    pilavas Posts: 68 Forumite
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    Personally - I'm getting a bit confused by the other pictures.

    But the last photo - ie of the yellow garage door tells me where I would regard the boundary as being (in commonsense terms and regardless of what either title plans or recent usage say).

    To me - it's quite clear the boundary lies exactly (to the fraction of an inch) going down the side of your concrete drive. To one side is your concrete drive, to the other side is his brick pathway. His brick pathway matches his brick wall.

    It looks to me as if he can put his wall up though - as the dug-out bit looks like its on his land. He just cant remove any of your garage or drive to do so. I'm not quite sure what the problem is - unless he is planning to try and remove some of your garage or drive in the process of putting the wall there.

    The orange string looks to have been put half way across the width of the dug-out bit. I would say that it ought to be shifted to the right and be running exactly along the side of your drive, as it doesnt look to me like you own half the width of the dug-out bit - so that orange string being where it is is misleading and I would be removing it and placing it exactly along the edge of your drive to get it correct. That orange string belongs exactly touching your garage wall clearly.

    I thought you said he had dug up some of your drive? - your drive looks in one piece and untouched as far as I can see from that photo. He has only dug out on his own ground.

    EDIT; I've gone back through the photos again - and photo 4 is unclear as to whose land the fence is on. Last photo and I am guessing the fence must have been sited on what is now airspace (ie hovering in mid-air over the dugout bit). If that is the case - then it looks as if the fence was his. If the fence was placed over dugout bit by previous owner of your house - then they sited it on his land by the look of it.

    In your position - I would be monitoring closely - but would accept his wall being built right up to and touching my drive (ie because it's his land by the look of it). It does look up to him if he wants to put a wall into that gap - as long as he doesnt damage your drive in the process and it doesnt look as if he has done so so far.


    Picture 3 shows the back of the garage boundary wall etching out around 11 inches, My neighbour has used a grinder to remove 12 inches in the front without my permission claiming the land is his, and when I questioned him he claims too have already discussed this with the previous owner who I am in full contact with.

    The previous owner denies this and has included this in his sworn statement. Also my neighbour build his extension close onto the side my my garage, will take another picture to show more.

    since the back ecthes 11 inches as should the front fence, I believe the previous owner done this as there should be a gap between boundaries.

    Once I speak with the police and show them my solicitor letter hopefully the can just warn him not to break y fence and to frack ! off lol.
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