Is the collapse of the EU now the best bet for the UK

Kohoutek

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Sweden and Denmark are not happy with the EU in its current form.

I'm sure every EU country has gripes about the EU. None of them are going to be as stupid as the UK and leave over them though.

HornetSaver

Kohoutek wrote: »

I'm sure every EU country has gripes about the EU. None of them are going to be as stupid as the UK and leave over them though.

Or to phrase it in a more neutral way (because you make a good point), none of their disagreements with the EU are as significant as the UK's.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Isn't that what trading standards check for on imports from China, that they comply.

You're a million miles away from understanding how imports from third countries are conducted.

Here's some guidance related to food. One of the key things is that third country competent authorities are inspected by the EU to ensure they can be trusted to certify products and factories as meeting EU standards.

This is the sort of thing that's worthwhile paying for. It's something we then don't need to do ourselves.

https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/food-law-practice-guidance-october-2015.pdf

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Also - the EU regulations didn't stop the [STRIKE]Polish[/STRIKE] Romanian horse meat scandal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal

There was a complex and elaborate fraud. Criminal activity.

Would it have happened if we had UK rather than EU food law? Doubt it would have made a difference.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

You're a million miles away from understanding how imports from third countries are conducted.

Here's some guidance related to food. One of the key things is that third country competent authorities are inspected by the EU to ensure they can be trusted to certify products and factories as meeting EU standards.

This is the sort of thing that's worthwhile paying for. It's something we then don't need to do ourselves.

https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/food-law-practice-guidance-october-2015.pdf



There was a complex and elaborate fraud. Criminal activity.

Would it have happened if we had UK rather than EU food law? Doubt it would have made a difference.

is the way diesel and petrol cars emissions and fuel consumptions are evaluated, an example fo the benefits of the EU testing regimes?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

is the way diesel and petrol cars emissions and fuel consumptions are evaluated, an example fo the benefits of the EU testing regimes?

I don't know the subject but if there's something wrong with the evaluation system then maybe it should be changed?

I certainly wouldn't suggest we replicate the same checks the EU do at third country food manufacturers just because you've got a bee in your bonnet about diesel.

[Deleted User]

Globalisation favours big economies and countries with a lot of negotiating power - we had that when we were part of the EU. The idea that the UK can negotiate as equals with huge economies such as the USA and China is laughable (and that's not "putting the UK down" that's just being realistic). The world desperately needs the EU to survive to maintain the balance of power (especially if "mad dog" Trump takes over the White House). So I really hope it does.

HornetSaver

Corona wrote: »

Globalisation favours big economies and countries with a lot of negotiating power - we had that when we were part of the EU. The idea that the UK can negotiate as equals with huge economies such as the USA and China is laughable (and that's not "putting the UK down" that's just being realistic). The world desperately needs the EU to survive to maintain the balance of power (especially if "mad dog" Trump takes over the White House). So I really hope it does.

The world needs a European Economic bloc (the single market) to ensure the superpowers are not in a position to play European countries off against each other to an extent that creates imbalanced economies. It needs a European mutual defense pact (NATO).

Politically it needs Britain, France and Germany to be of a similar mind with regard to external factors which threaten the continent economically or militarily. That is easier with the EU intact, but by no means impossible without it. And whatever you think of either France or the UK, the UNSC undoubtedly operates better for Europe as a whole with two very different European countries having vetoes, than the EU replacing them as a fourth member alongside US, Russia and China - that would remain true regardless of how democratic the EU chose to be before exercising it.

CLAPTON

Corona wrote: »

Globalisation favours big economies and countries with a lot of negotiating power - we had that when we were part of the EU. The idea that the UK can negotiate as equals with huge economies such as the USA and China is laughable (and that's not "putting the UK down" that's just being realistic). The world desperately needs the EU to survive to maintain the balance of power (especially if "mad dog" Trump takes over the White House). So I really hope it does.

its easy to make the 'EU' survive: just turn it into a free trade area with common technical standards where appopriate

TrickyTree83

Interesting other thread about european banks and how they are on the edge of collapse and brexit has just sped up that process.

If this is true is it not also the case that the EU's negotiating position is so weak that we can pretty much tell them what we'll accept, if they want it they can take it if not then that's fine.

mrginge

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Interesting other thread about european banks and how they are on the edge of collapse and brexit has just sped up that process.

If this is true is it not also the case that the EU's negotiating position is so weak that we can pretty much tell them what we'll accept, if they want it they can take it if not then that's fine.

No, what you have to do is ignore all the turmoil in the EZ, ignore all the rising disquiet in other countries, ignore the pressure being applied from countries such as USA, ignore the members of foreign governments who talk of cooperation and compromise.