Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

CLAPTON

WombleBat wrote: »

Right on queue to highlight my point about name calling.

interesting that you consider 'loony left' as name calling but not
'trotskyite IRA lovers'

do you consider 'rightwing', 'left wing' , ' centre ' as name calling?
general speaking I would consider those reasonably descriptive terms that are widely understood.

WombleBat

CLAPTON wrote: »

interesting that you consider 'loony left' as name calling but not
'trotskyite IRA lovers'

do you consider 'rightwing', 'left wing' , ' centre ' as name calling?
general speaking I would consider those reasonably descriptive terms that are widely understood.

No I deliberately ignored your stupid IRA reference. You really don't know when to leave it do you? :rotfl:

ruggedtoast

WombleBat wrote: »

I did infer in my post I voted remain and I beleived and still do beleive that it was the right choice for our nation. 17 million people disagreed though.

I'm sick of reading posts labeling leave voters as right wing xenophobes or remain voters as leftie immigrant lovers.

I don't think you understand that so far asside from some uncertainty NOTHING has changed. Things will change and some will make us worse off economically and culturaly IMO but that is what our democratically ellected govenment will need to deal with. We can have our say, we can push our agenda, we can jump up and down and stamp our feet if we want but it doesn't change the fact that we the people have spoken.

I woke up on that friday morning to my wife (EU citizen, not allowed to vote) in tears as she was devastated a country that she calls her home and loves as much as any British citizen would get things so wrong (IN her opinion). You post is patronising and condescending. Wind your neck in!

We all have a stake in our country and fighting amongst each other acheives noting, we need to find a way to move forward together.

I respect your restraint, especially considering your wife, but I think we have quite different experiences of Leave voters.

Some people were casting a protest vote, or seem to have bought the Daily Mail and Johnson's lies.

But I don't think this is the majority of Leave voters. The majority (that I have encountered) are just racists. They are racists who are hastily backtracking to justify their racism, but this is what they are. They are now racists who think they are winning.

I am not going to work with them, help them, or scratch my head to think of ways they can enact their awful policies any more than the anti fascists helped Oswald Mosley's blackshirts march through the East End in the 30s.

If you want your wife to feel welcome here, to not have to worry about deportations, or be concerned about having a foreign sounding name (which is what I want), you better pick a side.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I respect your restraint, especially considering your wife, but I think we have quite different experiences of Leave voters.

Some people were casting a protest vote, or seem to have bought the Daily Mail and Johnson's lies.

But I don't think this is the majority of Leave voters. The majority (that I have encountered) are just racists. They are racists who are hastily backtracking to justify their racism, but this is what they are. They are now racists who think they are winning.

I am not going to work with them, help them, or scratch my head to think of ways they can enact their awful policies any more than the anti fascists helped Oswald Mosley's blackshirts march through the East End in the 30s.

If you want your wife to feel welcome here, to not have to worry about deportations, or be concerned about having a foreign sounding name (which is what I want), you better pick a side.

WombleBat is right.

WombleBat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I respect your restraint, especially considering your wife, but I think we have quite different experiences of Leave voters.

Some people were casting a protest vote, or seem to have bought the Daily Mail and Johnson's lies.

But I don't think this is the majority of Leave voters. The majority (that I have encountered) are just racists. They are racists who are hastily backtracking to justify their racism, but this is what they are. They are now racists who think they are winning.

I am not going to work with them, help them, or scratch my head to think of ways they can enact their awful policies any more than the anti fascists helped Oswald Mosley's blackshirts march through the East End in the 30s.

If you want your wife to feel welcome here, to not have to worry about deportations, or be concerned about having a foreign sounding name (which is what I want), you better pick a side.

I know voters on both sides, some are horrible horrible racists (Discovered as part of this referendum) and I have simply cut those people out of my life.

Just as a point of interest I have been given the following reason from friends, coworkers, anyone who would talk to me

Leave
* Control our borders
* "I don't want any more Abdul's, Mohammed's, Farouq's or Petra's in MY country" (Resisted the urge to punch)
* Control our own laws
* I want a better future for my children
* I cannot afford a house because there are too many people here
* Public services under pressure
* "Vote in fear or vote in hope"
* I don't want un-elected people saying how I live my life
* We have enough illegal immigrants as it is

Remain
* We don't have problems, why change it?
* I want my house to keep its value
* I want to retire abroad
* I cannot get a visa if I need one as I have a criminal record
* I hate racists
* I want a better future for my children
* I don't want interest rates to go up, I would lose my house
* I trust the EU more than our government

Just to caveat I probably am probably giving this more bias than there was but these are the ones I remember. Near all of these people are decent, hard working and actually liberal people. Their views have been shaped by a divisive and fraudulent campaign (From both camps)

I was staunchly remain and tried to discuss with people why they were voting, I got several to change their minds but others were decided and refused to engage in any discussion about it at all.

It is true that the result gave validation to those in society that are racist and this is misguided on their part and they are being put back in their boxes by people who voted both remain and leave voters (As well as those that did not vote).

I am trying to be measured as internally I am furious with the result and still heartbroken about how my wife felt but I accept that today it is the political reality, this however is the beauty of democracy..... things can change. They will not change though if we cannot find common ground.

Ref your last sentence, my wife is welcome here, our friends have proven that over the last few days, she is unlikely to be deported but to hedge our bets we will be applying for citizenship for her. She has my last name which sounds foreign enough (I'm British but someone screwed us somewhere down the line) The vast majority of the British public do IMO value the contributions that our European friends (Literal not political figurative) and co workers make to the UK and are welcome to share this island we all call home.

Crashy_Time

The PTB should cause a massive countrywide HPC to "punish" the Boomers, that`ll teach `em!

enthusiasticsaver

Not all boomers voted leave. Me and my OH voted remain as did my 80 year old mum. I think the older generation should have asked the younger members of their family what sort of UK they wanted. Many of my generation and older I have spoken to who voted leave are either xenophobic even if they won't admit it or they hark after a nationalistic Great Britain forgetting the world has moved on. Very sad that some families are split or looking at each other differently. At least I am still speaking to my daughters and son in law. Families shouldn't fall out over it.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I was away over the weekend and first part of this week with no internet access, but just knew there'd be a ruggedtoast thread with EVIL BOOMERS in the title and lots of pictures. In these uncertain times it's good to have such comforting familiarity.

Money_saving_maniac

ruggedtoast wrote: »

But I don't think this is the majority of Leave voters. The majority (that I have encountered) are just racists. They are racists who are hastily backtracking to justify their racism, but this is what they are. They are now racists who think they are winning.

So you believe 17 million people in this country are racists.
You must be a fascist because you don't believe in democracy by that reckoning.
I am left wondering what planet you come from.
:rotfl:

kinger101

Money_saving_maniac wrote: »

So you believe 17 million people in this country are racists.
You must be a fascist because you don't believe in democracy by that reckoning.
I am left wondering what planet you come from.
:rotfl:

Personally, I believe we are all racist to an extent. Even those that see it's detestable are likely to have unconscious biases. I'd say there are easily 17 million overt racists in the UK (and for clarity, I'm not saying all those who voted leave are). And you don't have to be white to be racist.

I'm not sure "racist" is even right in the context of this debate. Most immigrants from the EU afterall are white.