Ordinary people vs the elite/establishment

Mistermeaner

kinger101 wrote: »

Someone asked to give an example of a pointless piece of EU legislation. Clearly you don't care about the power of vacuum cleaners, like 99% of the rest of the population. So why on Earth should the EU?

Someone needs to look after the 1%

enthusiasticsaver

Mistermeaner wrote: »

This should be the test of elite vs ordinary:

A person is given 5million pounds. They can either;

A) keep it
give it to their local hospital

Of course the elite would all keep it because all they are interested in is themselves . the ordinary people, well of course we know what they would do.

That is rubbish. There are millions of wealthy philanthropists and loads of lottery winners who don't give it away but go mad on flash cars, houses etc etc

mwpt

kinger101 wrote: »

The point about directives is the national parliaments are obliged to enact them. In that sense, it's still legislative acts that originated in the EU. I voted in BTW, but pretending EU directives don't count as EU law is disingenuous to say the least.

Thanks for implying I'm a liar.

I apologise. I am somewhat jaded by all the lies.

mwpt

kinger101 wrote: »

Someone asked to give an example of a pointless piece of EU legislation. Clearly you don't care about the power of vacuum cleaners, like 99% of the rest of the population. So why on Earth should the EU?

Why wouldn't they care? We have legislation in the UK covering all manner of goods and services. I'm guessing if I wanted to manufacture television in the EU I'd probably have to conform to certain energy standards (wild guess).

Mistermeaner

enthusiasticsaver wrote: »

That is rubbish. There are millions of wealthy philanthropists and loads of lottery winners who don't give it away but go mad on flash cars, houses etc etc

Thanks for confirming my point

wotsthat

kinger101 wrote: »

Someone asked to give an example of a pointless piece of EU legislation. Clearly you don't care about the power of vacuum cleaners, like 99% of the rest of the population. So why on Earth should the EU?

I was being sarcastic. I do care about energy efficiency.

Upping sticks from Brussels to Strasbourg is a waste of fossil fuel but I don't quite see how it justifies anyone's desire to use the power of two horses to collect fluff off some laminate flooring,

kinger101

wotsthat wrote: »

I was being sarcastic. I do care about energy efficiency.

Upping sticks from Brussels to Strasbourg is a waste of fossil fuel but I don't quite see how it justifies anyone's desire to use the power of two horses to collect fluff off some laminate flooring,

Given most vacuum cleaners must be used for less that 1 hour a week, and most were under 1600W anyway, to say the difference the legislation makes is negligible is an understatement. I suspect those people who need a 2000W had a dog, and how just use their 1600W one longer.

You can't sweep it under the carpet. That particular law sucked. Hoover hell thought it up?

wotsthat

kinger101 wrote: »

Given most vacuum cleaners must be used for less that 1 hour a week, and most were under 1600W anyway, to say the difference the legislation makes is negligible is an understatement. I suspect those people who need a 2000W had a dog, and how just use their 1600W one longer.

1 hour day x xkwh saving x population of Europe isn't negligible.

The figure wattage limit is only going one way so those who can innovate and provide lower energy vacuums that don't need to be used for longer will come out on top.

kinger101

wotsthat wrote: »

1 hour day x xkwh saving x population of Europe isn't negligible.

The figure wattage limit is only going one way so those who can innovate and provide lower energy vacuums that don't need to be used for longer will come out on top.

The isn't the equation though. For a start, every person in Europe isn't using the vacuum cleaner for 1 hour every day. There would be a lot of terrified cats if they were. Most vacuum cleaners were already under the limit anyway.

And unfortunately, it doesn't measure performance at all. Just how much power the machine draws when it's empty. So the energy ratings are deceptive say compared to a light bulb or TV, where performance doesn't degrade during use.

Thrugelmir

Some interesting directives.

Limitation on balloon usage. According to EU rules from 1988 children under the age of 8 can not use latex balloons without a supervising parent. And text on the latex balloons must have such a warning on them. This requirement has been set to avoid death and injuries

Olive oil in restaurants
Three years ago, the European Union planned to ban the glass jar which is filled, and refilled, with olive oil and served on restaurant tables across the EU, stating that only non-refillable bottles with proper labeling on the contents would be accepted.

In 2011, a ruling by the European Commission claimed that drinking water 'does not ease dehydration'.
EU authorities passed a law which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.
Manufacturers of bottled water were prohibited from labelling products with claims that would suggest consumption would fight dehydration.