Cuts and austerity

hildosaver

Tromking wrote: »

No coincidence that the areas most affected by austerity were the most keen to give the politicians a kicking in the EU referendum. Perhaps if the Barnett differentials didn't favour Scotland and NI so much then perhaps there would have been more areas of the UK happy to vote for the status quo like they did.You can't keep expecting non-metropolitan areas of England and Wales to keep taking it up the backside without kicking out eventually.
England (and Wales) is speaking, about time they listened.

You are neglecting the fact that NI had virtually zero investment for over 30 years due to the conflict and has been playing catch-up since the Good Friday agreement (with a huge amount of help from the EU). It's Wales that I can't understand, out of all the regions in the UK they have benefitted from EU investment more than most yet they vote out. Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face if you ask me.

Tromking

hildosaver wrote: »

You are neglecting the fact that NI had virtually zero investment for over 30 years due to the conflict and has been playing catch-up since the Good Friday agreement (with a huge amount of help from the EU). It's Wales that I can't understand, out of all the regions in the UK they have benefitted from EU investment more than most yet they vote out. Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face if you ask me.

NI and Scotland are subsidised big time as a result of the Barnett formula. As the UK is a net contributor to the EU, the EU is only redirecting our own cash to Wales by the way of grants etc.
There is a case IMO that says that inequitable funding to the various nations and regions of the UK played a part in the referendum result.
If I were a Scot who had escaped the excesses of austerity, maybe I would have voted for the status quo.

CLAPTON

hildosaver wrote: »

You are neglecting the fact that NI had virtually zero investment for over 30 years due to the conflict and has been playing catch-up since the Good Friday agreement (with a huge amount of help from the EU). It's Wales that I can't understand, out of all the regions in the UK they have benefitted from EU investment more than most yet they vote out. Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face if you ask me.

seems to me they are intelligent enough to know that not one penny of money has ever come from the EU: its all UK money

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's now 4 days past brexit and the potholes in my street still aren't fixed! :mad:

surely after 40 years of being in the EU , there is nothing to fix?

hildosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

seems to me they are intelligent enough to know that not one penny of money has ever come from the EU: its all UK money

That I am afraid is nonsense - it was matched funding so the UK contributed 50% and the EU (which is funded by all EU countries - yes this includes the UK but all the others also).

The feeling in NI and I suspect in Scotland also is that it is highly unlikely the UK will continue to invest in NI and Scotland to the same extent that had been done with the help of EU funding.

In NI particularly, aside from the massive issue of having a land border with the EU, is that much of the post-conflict community development work has been funded almost exclusively by money from the EU (yes this does include UK money) - people in NI are seriously concerned about the ramifications of this funding being withdrawn and the country being effectively re-partitioned.

CLAPTON

hildosaver wrote: »

That I am afraid is nonsense - it was matched funding so the UK contributed 50% and the EU (which is funded by all EU countries - yes this includes the UK but all the others also).

The feeling in NI and I suspect in Scotland also is that it is highly unlikely the UK will continue to invest in NI and Scotland to the same extent that had been done with the help of EU funding.

In NI particularly, aside from the massive issue of having a land border with the EU, is that much of the post-conflict community development work has been funded almost exclusively by money from the EU (yes this does include UK money) - people in NI are seriously concerned about the ramifications of this funding being withdrawn and the country being effectively re-partitioned.

nonsense there has been NO net contribution as the UK is a net contributor to the EU and NOT a beneficiary

Of course if the NI is dis-satisfied with the UK democratic budget system, they could try for independence

what exactly is the massive issue of having a land barrier? They seemed to live OK from 1920s to 1973 without any massive issues

hildosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

nonsense there has been NO net contribution as the UK is a net contributor to the EU and NOT a beneficiary

Of course if the NI is dis-satisfied with the UK democratic budget system, they could try for independence

what exactly is the massive issue of having a land barrier? They seemed to live OK from 1920s to 1973 without any massive issues

Without any massive issues you say? Is this a joke?

CLAPTON

hildosaver wrote: »

Without any massive issues you say? Is this a joke?

what were the issues about the border?

hildosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

what were the issues about the border?

I suggest you read up a little on Irish history if you do not realise that the partition of Ireland did actually cause some problems - I don't have the time to explain it to you. Perhaps you may have heard of 'The Troubles'? Was a spot of bother that occurred because of the border. I'm still 99% sure you are trolling me here because you must be the only person in the UK not aware that a border between NI and ROI caused 'issues'.

wotsthat

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's now 4 days past brexit and the potholes in my street still aren't fixed! :mad:

Can't you just enjoy basking in the warm glow of democracy?