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Court Claim - Horizon Parking / Gladstone Solicitors

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  • I have finished my witness statement.
    I would be EXTREMELY grateful if it could be reviewed and comments made. I imagine it is probably too long...
    Thank you very much.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/3f0dzhn33e904zx/WS-draft.pdf?dl=0
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  • I'm submitting this today so if anyone can scan it quickly and comment then that would be very helpful. Thanks
    Private PCN??
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  • Case Dismissed!!!
    Full summary to follow, Judge was against me on nearly every point BUT she agrees and found that the signs are forbidding and not a contractual offer.
    Claimant requested permission to appeal, Judge refused. I bet they apply by writing to the circuit judge.
    Private PCN??
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    Don't use old advice to ignore these. This mistake very nearly ruined my case.
    Read up on the latest advice.

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  • Umkomaas
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    Waiting with anticipation. Let the Parking Prankster know.

    Well done.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • beamerguy
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    pmj1991 wrote: »
    Case Dismissed!!!
    Full summary to follow, Judge was against me on nearly every point BUT she agrees and found that the signs are forbidding and not a contractual offer.
    Claimant requested permission to appeal, Judge refused. I bet they apply by writing to the circuit judge.

    WELL DONE :T

    The prankster will be more than delighted to say ....

    "HORIZON ... YOU HAVE BEEN GLADSTONED"
  • Well done!:beer:
  • brianj1991
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    edited 23 November 2016 at 8:40PM
    I will be typing up a full summary later tonight and posting it here for all to use + I will send it to the Prankster.

    Happy Parking and thank you to all.
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  • Fruitcake
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    Well done. :T
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  • Coupon-mad
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    pmj1991 wrote: »
    Case Dismissed!!!
    Full summary to follow, Judge was against me on nearly every point BUT she agrees and found that the signs are forbidding and not a contractual offer.
    Claimant requested permission to appeal, Judge refused. I bet they apply by writing to the circuit judge.

    Well done! An appeal is rare and is a huge risk for them, that they probably will not take.
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  • MY NOTES FROM COURT HEARING
    Horizon Parking v Me – Guildford County Court – C5GF17X2

    Below is my notetaking of the summary / judgement the Judge delivered at the hearing. I was scribbling furiously so I apologise if this is not perfectly accurate, but I think it is a good account.

    Please ask questions.

    I have to say the Judge seemed very fair and picked apart anything said by both parties consistently.

    ---
    Start:
    Claimant alleges that Defendant parked his vehicle on 3 occasions.

    Particulars of Claim are brief, as they often are with online claims, but included dates, amounts, etc.

    Defendant submitted his initial defence, documents and witness statement. This mainly focused around putting the claimant to proof that he was the driver and then covered many other legal points. Unfortunately, the defendant’s WS was not received by the Claimant and the deadline for this was incorrectly set for only 7 days before the hearing. The Claimant was given 10 minutes to read through a copy of the WS, then all parties were all happy to proceed.

    Both witnesses were available for evidence – Defendant and Director of claimant Horizon Parking.

    Claimant put to the Court to consider whether Defendant was the driver, rather than consider PoFA / whether they could pursue as registered keeper.

    Defendant has said:
    • I am not the driver
    • Claimant should not presume this
    • Other people drove the car on various occasions
    • Puts claimant to proof on him being the driver and pursuing him as such

    Judge advised she cannot presume Defendant is the driver, but has to use all of the evidence to find a fact based on balance of probability.

    Claimant has stated they carried out all steps to warn driver and allow someone to appeal. Judge satisfied Claimant served PCNs on car (evidenced by photos), satisfied letters sent to RK (evidenced by copies). Defendant accepts received letter before action from Gladstones, unsure if received some or all of others from Horizon, but advised he would not respond anyway to an unknown company he has no relationship with. Claimant is entitled to write to DVLA RK address, cannot be criticised for that. Judge says it is likely that Defendant was aware of who Horizon are and why they were writing, and therefore could have written back. Judge agreed Defendant had chosen not to and found his answers less than clear.

    Judge considered all circumstances including the fact this is my vehicle, that Defendant had not stated he was not the driver in my defences and given unclear answers today, the fact that he had the opportunity to respond and chose not to; these factors influenced her decision. Judge said he should have at least denied he was the driver by responding to the PPC and in his witness statement.

    Because of this, and putting the onus on Claimant, plus having no evidence that he was elsewhere, the Judge found that Defendant is the driver as a fact.

    Therefore the Court must consider his other points which are relevant to enforcing a contract on a driver, but they can ignore PoFA on this occasion.

    Signs/Contracts:
    Found photos and signs are clear from both Defendant’s and Claimant’s photos. This binds a relationship between them. The Consumer Rights Act cannot help defendant here as the signs are adequate.

    Forbidding nature of sign:
    Judge finds this is a forbidding notice, not an invitation to park on certain terms. It disallows other parking. Could be construed as only applying to permit holders, not others who are forbidden from entering the area. IF this is the case, it only offers to permit holders. This therefore means this is a landowner issue for trespass. The agreement between PPC and landowner does not allow for Horizon to collect for trespass issues. This notice forbids any parking at all except by permit holders and is not an offer at all. Does not make a contractual offer, so they cannot claim against me for this.

    Excessive Charge:
    Judge cannot find a £70 charge excessive considering findings of other hearings. However Judge says that additional £50 costs added on could not be claimed. The signage simply says additional costs could be claimed and does not say what these are - this is not contractual and therefore additional costs must be proved.

    Part 16 CPR – ample evidence given.

    Judge’s Summary:
    Primary point – finds me the driver as a fact.
    Claim dismissed because notice is a prohibition and claimants are not entitled to pursue for trespass, they are not the landowner.

    Regarding defendant costs, whilst he may ask for costs, it would have assisted if he had responded to correspondence with the Claimant on many earlier occasions and possibly avoided a claim, therefore she will not be awarding costs to him.

    Claimant requested permission to appeal, REFUSED because this is a finding of fact and the Judge feels she is correct that this cannot be a contract. Satisfied with her finding of this.
    Private PCN??
    Do not pay but PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE IT.
    Don't use old advice to ignore these. This mistake very nearly ruined my case.
    Read up on the latest advice.

    PPCs 0 - 2 ME!
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