Referendum result - Predictions

Crashy_Time

kabayiri wrote: »

I think that if you ask a poor question then you should be prepared for a poor answer.

The surprise results reveal one thing : the Westminster political establishment are not really that in touch with sentiment out in the regions.

It would be easier if you could ask people direct questions.

Things like, do you like migrants? does it change your view if they bring money? why don't you like migrants? are you consistent in your attitude to migrants?

But no, we are not allowed to ask people direct questions, in case we might not like the answers. Instead, it's much more comforting to talk about multi-culturalism as a cure all.

The vote was more about taking back control from Brussels than "not liking migrants" IMO, but if your town has been over-run with people who live in their own little enclaves and take all the local jobs why wouldn`t you vote on that basis as well? However, the vote is in, we are off on a new journey, and it feels like a good thing to me. Edinburgh is rammed today, as usual, all the migrants and locals are just posing about with their phones as normal, WW3/Nazi style area clearances don`t appear to be happening yet. The main people who are hurting are those with a VI in holding power, they have received a boot in the a*rse from this vote with more to come. And of course the HPC massive are loving it as well, and I see some nutter has started a thread about them on the main board!

wymondham

I've been thinking about the issues people are raising about the referendum and how close it was, and how there needs to be a bigger majority.

I'm wondering if this was kept deliberately slack as to almost guarantee a win by the Remain without having to pass the Brexit vote by X amount, but has spectacularly failed as nobody seems to have judged the feeling in the Country???

just a thought?

MABLE

According to the Dutch Primeminister we have our selfs to blame for the high proportion of migrants coming to this country. He said it is because our benefits are too good.

Please note I am not agreeing or disagreeing with his statement only reporting what he said.

Scarpacci

MABLE wrote: »

According to the Dutch Primeminister we have our selfs to blame for the high proportion of migrants coming to this country. He said it is because our benefits are too good.

Please note I am not agreeing or disagreeing with his statement only reporting what he said.

Whether it was a key desire of those who dreamt up free movement of labour, it's clear it would eventually lead to equalisation of wages, living standards and benefits across the divergent European continent. For Britain that meant the only way was down. The people most exposed to this downward movement were the ones most vocal in wanting out.

We shouldn't have to compromise our wages or benefits system to make it less attractive to the poorer nations of Europe. The phony principle that somebody in a vastly poorer country should be as entitled to live, work and receive state benefits in Britain as somebody born here was always the problem. I hope whatever EU relationship we end up with is accepting of that fact.

mwpt

mwpt wrote: »

mayonnaise wrote: »

I don't expect George to stay on for long.
Why would he want to stay around and oversee the biggest economic clusterf*ck in history?

He absolutely will not stay around. He cannot keep any budget commitment he has given now . He'll be gone with Cameron, if not before.

Boom, Osborne gone. Philip Hammond picks up the chalice (we'll have to see if it is poisoned).

Mortgagefreeman

BobQ wrote: »

I see no need for balance!

What state we will be in two months from now I have no idea but I bet that many of those who supported this decision will turn on the Government when the economic realities come to pass

Hi Bob. We're now nearly eight months in, can you tell us what state we're in?

mayonnaise

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Hi Bob. We're now nearly eight months in, can you tell us what state we're in?

I'm not Bob, but maybe I can answer that one.

- Autumn statement doing away with any notion of deficit reduction or balancing the books with increased 'brexit borrowing' to the tune of £122 billion. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/philip-hammond-brexit-vote-borrowing-autumn-statement
- UK businesses delaying or canceling £65 billion of investment since the vote. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-14/brexit-costs-u-k-82-billion-in-lost-company-spending-study
- GBP trashed compared to any other major currency.
- UK universities already losing out on vital research as EU academics look elsewhere for long-term employment. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/brexit-latest-news-exodus-eu-academics-professors-leave-uk-universities-dr-jo-beall-british-council-a7545741.html

Not bad for a mere 7 months....and we haven't even left yet. :T

StevieJ

mayonnaise wrote: »

I'm not Bob, but maybe I can answer that one.

- Autumn statement doing away with any notion of deficit reduction or balancing the books with increased 'brexit borrowing' to the tune of £122 billion. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/philip-hammond-brexit-vote-borrowing-autumn-statement
- UK businesses delaying or canceling £65 billion of investment since the vote. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-14/brexit-costs-u-k-82-billion-in-lost-company-spending-study
- GBP trashed compared to any other major currency.
- UK universities already losing out on vital research as EU academics look elsewhere for long-term employment. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/brexit-latest-news-exodus-eu-academics-professors-leave-uk-universities-dr-jo-beall-british-council-a7545741.html

Not bad for a mere 7 months....and we haven't even left yet. :T

It's not all bad I have made a few quid on the stock market
'it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good'.

BobQ

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

"Originally Posted by BobQ
I see no need for balance!

What state we will be in two months from now I have no idea but I bet that many of those who supported this decision will turn on the Government when the economic realities come to pass"


Hi Bob. We're now nearly eight months in, can you tell us what state we're in?

Its so much easier to predict what the future is once it has happened. But as its the future you wanted, I will leave it up to you to explain where we are and what happens next.

I stand by my statement that people who voted for it will turn on May when the economic realities come to pass. So far we have not left and all that has happened is a falling pound that will drive up inflation.

That said the economic realities may not be too bad or maybe even good if we can negotiate a sensible deal with the EU27 and fair trade deals with other nations. Not much evidence either way at present.