Wheelchair bus case

Stevie_Palimo

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

Is this the guy (Doug Paulley) who has been to Court 40 times regarding disability issues?

Seeking a pay out probably if he has chalked up 40 other cases along these lines, Terrible behaviour and it is not about being disabled at all it is simply the large bag of potatoes on his shoulders.

tomtontom

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

Seeking a pay out probably if he has chalked up 40 other cases along these lines, Terrible behaviour and it is not about being disabled at all it is simply the large bag of potatoes on his shoulders.

This chap does seem to have made a career of being a serial complainer, in particular against public services, who at the same time pay for his care and housing costs (not that I'm suggesting he isn't entitled to these, just pointing out the irony of his endeavours).

unforeseen

I wonder how many bus journeys he had to take before this opportunity arose? :think:

foxtrotoscar_2

Perhaps if he had a smaller wheelchair he would have managed to share the bus?

lisyloo

Thanks Clapton, that answers my question.
The bus company can make it a legal requirement that passengers move.
Personally I do agree with him that able bodies people should move their stuff.

chewmylegoff

I have no idea whether the person who refused to move could have done so and was just being a tool for the sake of it, but I expect the scenario is so rare (because the vast majority or people would move) that this is in reality a piece of vexatious litigation and a complete waste of everyone's time as it will have no measurable positive impact for disabled people.

I blame the EU.

CLAPTON

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I have no idea whether the person who refused to move could have done so and was just being a tool for the sake of it, but I expect the scenario is so rare (because the vast majority or people would move) that this is in reality a piece of vexatious litigation and a complete waste of everyone's time as it will have no measurable positive impact for disabled people.

I blame the EU.

the person would wouldn't move, was a mother with a sleeping baby in a pushchair that occupied the available space.

chewmylegoff

lisyloo wrote: »

Thanks Clapton, that answers my question.
The bus company can make it a legal requirement that passengers move.
Personally I do agree with him that able bodies people should move their stuff.

I think the idea is to make the Supreme Court force First Group to change their conditions of carriage to mean that you either move or get off the bus if asked and if you refuse it voids your ticket so you no longer have a right to travel. I don't think a First Group has any power beyond that. I suppose this is a 'legal requirement' to the extent that it is a contractual term.

I'm not sure what the police would do if they were called and asked to remove a person from a bus who didn't have a valid ticket but wasn't being violent or otherwise causing a risk to other passengers or themselves. Presumably they would see it as a civil matter and tell the bus company to sort it out themselves as they had better things to do like eat doughnuts.

chewmylegoff

CLAPTON wrote: »

the person would wouldn't move, was a mother with a sleeping baby in a pushchair that occupied the available space.

In which case my view at the time that this happened was that the woman was being unreasonable but my view after 4 March 2015 is that you never, ever, wake a sleeping baby.

CLAPTON

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I think the idea is to make the Supreme Court force First Group to change their conditions of carriage to mean that you either move or get off the bus if asked and if you refuse it voids your ticket so you no longer have a right to travel. I don't think a First Group has any power beyond that. I suppose this is a 'legal requirement' to the extent that it is a contractual term.

I'm not sure what the police would do if they were called and asked to remove a person from a bus who didn't have a valid ticket but wasn't being violent or otherwise causing a risk to other passengers or themselves. Presumably they would see it as a civil matter and tell the bus company to sort it out themselves as they had better things to do like eat doughnuts.

unlikely :
I believe people get fined for dropping litter and the police will enforce the matter (if they are not too busy)