Parking Ticket @ Fistral beach. no time given to apeal or pay.

Stacey81

another question have


I change charge on me POPLA to £110 from £100 cause in they reponce they said if I NOT pay on 9th June they going add another £10 admine fee on but me no get they letter till 16th June me think was 16th now it was later than 9th as that day they write letter. so charge would now be £110 right?


also I is still real stuck on the last point I just not can put it in words I not know how exsplain it.




8:- No landowner authority


Section 7.3 of the British Parking Association code of practise, states


Written authorisation of Landowner.


7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:


a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined


b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation


c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement


d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs


e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement




am I asking them prove they have permission from the land owner to charge me for parking? and asking them prove they have this permission? is that what it means? I got points now cause someone help me find them but I trying think how put it in words.

Stacey81

cause of news covrage i have been give more advice from Equality and human rights today

they go through all points in me letter they say it all sounding good by suggested add one more thing.

here what they suggesting add.... me put it at end on point 9, as its not a point that directly effects JUST ME but is to try point out smart system discrinates gainst all disabled people with mobility impariements. thay said its good mention it NOW in case appeal don't work and have go court.... i hope i not have go court i alrady in one legal battle with social services. that taorin narf.

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9:- Indirect discrimination - disadvantaging a group of people who share a protected characteristics

I believe that Smart Parking are Indirectly Discriminating against Disabled people who are in the Protected Character group, for Disabled, in particular those who require the use of a Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids.

Section 19 of the Equality Act 2010, states

(1)A person (A) discriminates against another (B) if A applies to B a provision, criterion or practice which is discriminatory in relation to a relevant protected characteristic of B's.

(2)For the purposes of subsection (1), a provision, criterion or practice is discriminatory in relation to a relevant protected characteristic of B's if—

(a)A applies, or would apply, it to persons with whom B does not share the characteristic,

(b)it puts, or would put, persons with whom B shares the characteristic at a particular disadvantage when compared with persons with whom B does not share it,

(c)it puts, or would put, B at that disadvantage, and

(d)A cannot show it to be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

(3)The relevant protected characteristics are—

• disability;
  (There are other characteristics, but Disability is the one that relates to this case).

Indirect discrimination occurs when there's a policy which applies in the same way for everybody but which has an effect which disadvantages a group of people who share a protected characteristic, and you are disadvantaged as part of this group. If this happens, the person or organization applying the policy must justify it. A ‘policy’ can include a practice, a rule or an arrangement. It makes no difference whether anyone intended the policy to disadvantage you or not.


I believe Smart parking are indirectly discriminating against People with Disabilities, in particular those who require the use of a Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids.

I believe Smart Parking are indirectly discriminating by offering a service that puts people who are reliant on Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids at a substantial disadvantage.

Smart Parking are offering a service to the public to park their cars for a set fee. Their ‘Pay by phone’ Option is, or was at the time of this incident NOT working, and the alternative offered to the public was to access change from the local surf shop. Where this is possible for many members of the public it leaves a large group of people at a substantial disadvantage, of not being able to access the surf shop, due to the sand and other physical barriers. This includes, those people who are reliant on Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids. Resulting in Smart parking offering a service to these people on worse terms than they would offer to the rest of the public. This is indirect discrimination.

Smart Parking are offering a service to the public to park their cars for a set fee. Smart parking offer a 10 minute grace period for all service users to read the signs, and choose to agree to the terms of contract or leave. Where this is possible for many members of the public it leaves a large group of people at a substantial disadvantage, as 10 minutes is not always enough time for people with mobility impairments. This includes, those people who are reliant on Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids. Resulting in Smart parking offering a service to these people on worse terms than they would offer to the rest of the public. This is indirect discrimination.

Smart Parking are offering a service to the public to park their cars for a set fee. Smart parking are using an ANPR Camera recording system. To record the times using timed photos of when cars enter and exit a car park. This system does NOT always allow easy recognition if a vehicle is used by a disabled motorist or disabled passenger. To allow Smart parking to make clear and thorough check of the pictures to assess if the vehicle involved possibly may have needed more than the 10 minutes grace period. For example, it does not always clearly show Blue badges, Stickers and signs showing vehicles are adapted or carry disabled or mobility impaired passages or drivers. Unlike Foot patrolling officers who can take Close up photos and walk AROUND a vehicle to inspect for Blue badges, stickers and information needed to see if more time is required before issuing a Ticket and causing undue stress and worry. Where the ANPR works for many members of the public it leaves a large group of people at a substantial disadvantage with mobility impairments, as it can NOT identify a car who has a mobility impaired passenger or driver. This includes, those people who are reliant on Wheelchairs, Scooters, walking aids and other mobility aids. Resulting in Smart parking offering a service to these people on worse terms than they would offer to the rest of the public. This is indirect discrimination.

Smart Parking are Offering a service to the public, they must make it accessible to all members of the public. Including persons with disabilities. They should not be putting Persons with disabilities at a substantial disadvantage. Which they are doing with the 3 Cases above, showing clearly that they are indirectly discriminating against People with disabilities, In particular, those with mobility impairments.

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sorry i not no why when me paste it change me wrtin to some bold some small etc in me word doc it all same font and size maybe cause me is copy past some from emails they send me wif info to use etc i not nos sorry


i do feels this is important adds as that why me did agree take story to press to make sure no ovar disabled people get scard and hurt like me did so me thik it import smart face that they doing things BAD ans need meet laws. i thik it important me stand ups for ovar disabld people to cause no evary one hav voice.


will be ok add this like they suggest add?

Stacey81

i is at total loss how put
8:- No landowner authority
in me own words i has looks and looks loads over forums at lots posts ovar difrant days and i just getting mor confussed this one do have me lots lost


can me just write do as act say or me run you toes ovar (i is jokings) :rotfl::rotfl:


i gtting tired now me need rest bit. but i is worried we getin close to time me need send appeal in.


i need now
1) how put section 8 in me own words (see post 142)
2) How do videos so can send to appeal peoples (see post 140)
3) do me put £100 or £110 as charge (see poset (142 top)
4) do me at point 9? as suggest by EHRC (see post 143)


me come bak latars work mor me need rest now lots tiard sorry

Ralph-y

Hi . Stacey .....


I think most of the forum grandees appear to be out shopping / gardening/ enjoying the rain .......


this needs to be right

so

please give as many as possible a chance to comment ...

keep it up ...

Ralph:cool:

Coupon-mad

We'll put all this together by the end of the weekend for you, I'm sure. I like the Equality Act wording!

pappa_golf

the annoying thing is that after all the effort to win at POPLa , smart will simply not present any evidence ,


they know they will loose , they know they are in the wrong , they promised PP that they would drop the charges , however they are leaving all the effort up to you .

Fruitcake

Stacey81 wrote: »

sorry soun real silly but I no fully under stand this bit
on first letter it did say
Location:Fisttral beach
and has times cause records and shows times van go in and out with picture.


so me is gussing I is missin something and not understandin quite what you means


sorry do mind exsplaing please

The Fistral Beach car park is huge. In my opinion they should specify that the vehicle was in a car park, not just say Fistral Beach as this could imply the vehicle was parked on the sand. They should also state where Fistral Beach actually is. For example, is it at Lossiemouth in Scotland, or Southampton, or Cardiff bay? For all we know there may be more than one place of the same name somewhere in the UK.

As far as parking times are concerned, I believe they must state arrival time, and departure time AND duration of parking period. In other words, they have to state all three things. They can't just state the arrival and departure time as that doesn't tell you the parking period.

I hope that makes sense.

catfunt

There are NO beaches in Southampton!!

Stacey81

Fruitcake wrote: »

The Fistral Beach car park is huge. In my opinion they should specify that the vehicle was in a car park, not just say Fistral Beach as this could imply the vehicle was parked on the sand. They should also state where Fistral Beach actually is. For example, is it at Lossiemouth in Scotland, or Southampton, or Cardiff bay? For all we know there may be more than one place of the same name somewhere in the UK.

As far as parking times are concerned, I believe they must state arrival time, and departure time AND duration of parking period. In other words, they have to state all three things. They can't just state the arrival and departure time as that doesn't tell you the parking period.

I hope that makes sense.

that do and thak you for re wording for me so could understand me will try again tomorrow to reword that section bit. think I sleep most after noon It lots tiarin do all research but it goods to caus learn stuffs which is cools!
thak you fruitcake


hank you every one for everyones help. me is lots grateful.

nigelbb

catfunt wrote: »

There are NO beaches in Southampton!!

Woolston isn't s great beach but it definitely exists http://ukbeaches.guide/beach-guide/Europe/UK/Hampshire/Southampton/Weston%20(Woolston)/883